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    Default black coffee..... coffee black

    One day, I heard someone said 'coffee black'
    I think it has nearly the same meaning with 'black coffee'
    Likewise, we can say "I met a guy handsome."
    But in grammar books, I haven't found any specific illustration.

    Surely there is a rule that adjective should be followed after -thing[body, one]
    or present can have different meanings when it proceeds or follows a noun.

    But I can't tell the meaning between 'impossible mission' and 'mission impossible'
    Are they all grammatically correct? and Do they have different meanings?

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    I think "coffee black" or other similar combinations can be correctly used only in certain structures like "I like (to have) my coffee black", and cannot be used in others (e.g. you can't say "This is coffee black".)

    As for the "mission impossible", it can be used as a movie or a newspaper article title or in technical language. In such cases the linking verb "be" can be omitted, so you get "Mission Impossible". But do not trust me, it's only IMHO.
    If I were a native speaker of English, I would never shut up. :-)

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    If you're ordering coffee (or other foods) it is not uncommon to specify how you would like it after you have said what you want. I'd like some coffee, cream and sugar. I'd like the eggs, over easy. I'll have the NY strip steak, medium rare.

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    "I met a guy handsome" seems very unnatural to me.

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    You'll hear "Coffee - black", "coffee - white" quite frequently. People order a coffee and then remember that they need to tell the waiter or barista how they would like their coffee prepared.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    You'll hear "Coffee - black", "coffee - white" quite frequently. People order a coffee and then remember that they need to tell the waiter or barista how they would like their coffee prepared.
    I encounter this problem when I travel to Mexico. I thought that cafe negro (coffee black) would work if I wanted a cup of coffee with nothing added. I found that I had to start with cafe Americano (coffee American, or, American coffee. It seems that Mexican coffee has cinnamon added to it) and then go on to say that I didn't want sugar or cream in the coffee. For some reason the concept of black coffee didn't make sense to the waiter. One of them told me that coffee was not black, it was a brownish color.

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    If you're ordering coffee (or other foods) it is not uncommon to specify how you would like it after you have said what you want. I'd like some coffee, cream and sugar. I'd like the eggs, over easy. I'll have the NY strip steak, medium rare.

    [QUOTE] I'd like some coffee, cream and sugar.

    Is it unnatural to say, 'I'd like some coffee, milk and sugar.".

    Thanks.

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    [QUOTE=Winwin2011;940143]
    I'd like some coffee, cream and sugar.

    Is it unnatural to say, 'I'd like some coffee, milk and sugar.".

    Thanks.
    It would be odd to say "I'd like some coffee, milk and sugar" as one long sentence with no pauses, as if you're ordering some things to buy in a shop (a jar of coffee, a litre of milk and a bag of sugar). However, if it were "I'd like some coffee - milk and sugar please" then it would be perfectly normal.

    I'm not sure if your main question was is it normal to ask for cream and sugar but unnatural to ask for milk and sugar. If so, the answer is there is no difference. It all depends how you like your coffee.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudo View Post
    Likewise, we can say "I met a guy handsome."
    But in grammar books, I haven't found any specific illustration.
    Can we?

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    Default Re: black coffee..... coffee black

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    "I met a guy handsome" seems very unnatural to me.
    I would go further than that. It's incorrect, plain and simple.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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