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    Default Five-and-twenty thousand = ?

    I'm confused with the following description:

    ... there reside above five-and-twenty thousand; ... - Page 204, Chapter 22, Book 2, The Travels of Marco Polo 1274-1295, Revised and edited with an Introduction by Manuel Komroff, New York, Printed for the members of The Limited Editions Club 1934

    How many people were there?

    Thanks a lot.

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    Default Re: Five-and-twenty thousand = ?

    25,000.

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    Default Re: Five-and-twenty thousand = ?

    Well, actually - more than (above) 25,000. But it's 25 thousand not 5 and 20 thousand (i.e., 20,005).
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: Five-and-twenty thousand = ?

    It's an old-fashioned form- my father used it, but you don't hear it used much nowadays.

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    Default Re: Five-and-twenty thousand = ?

    I sometimes catch myself saying 'five-and-twenty past/to ..." for times.but I am 66.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    I sometimes catch myself saying 'five-and-twenty past/to ..." for times.but I am 66.
    My grandfather always used "five and twenty past/to ..." when giving the time. I don't think I heard him use the construction for anything but telling the time though.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    I sometimes catch myself saying 'five-and-twenty past/to ..." for times.but I am 66.

    Is that six and sixty?

    What about four-and-twenty black birds baked in a pie? (And how gross is that?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    My grandfather always used "five and twenty past/to ..." when giving the time. I don't think I heard him use the construction for anything but telling the time though.
    Telling the time is the one I remember most clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    What about four-and-twenty black birds baked in a pie? (And how gross is that?)
    It was widespread and, I think, declined to things like the time. We don't eat many blackbird pies now, let alone ones that big.

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    Default Re: Five-and-twenty thousand = ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Is that six and sixty?

    What about four-and-twenty black birds baked in a pie? (And how gross is that?)
    It's just like chicken pot pie, I imagine.

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