Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: About ellipsis

  1. #1
    notletrest is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    551
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default About ellipsis

    Dear teachers ,
    Could you tell me whether the sentences are good and why not.
    1."I'll come and so'll Peter."
    2.She'll write to Tom and he'll to his sister.
    3.There're many girls in the class.
    Thank you very much!

  2. #2
    notletrest is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    551
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: About ellipsis

    Pity, answers can enjoy I none! Maybe it is so simple that teachers will not do. But it counts for me.
    Thanks!

  3. #3
    Barb_D's Avatar
    Barb_D is offline Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Other
      • Native Language:
      • American English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    17,294
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: About ellipsis

    None of those work in writing.
    The first one might be spoken in quick speech.
    No one I know would say the second. They would repeat "write."
    The third might be spoken.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

  4. #4
    notletrest is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    551
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: About ellipsis

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    None of those work in writing.
    The first one might be spoken in quick speech.
    No one I know would say the second. They would repeat "write."
    The third might be spoken.
    ////
    Thanks !

  5. #5
    philo2009 is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Academic
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Japan
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    1,507
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: About ellipsis

    As already noted, #1 and #3 represent transcripts of informal speech.

    #2 is unacceptable, since
    (1) we can never end a sentence/clause with a contracted form (he'll, etc.)
    (2) even with the restoration of full form 'will', you cannot ellipt the verb without implying its complement (to Tom), whereas here a new prepositional complement (to his sister) is suddenly introduced.
    Last edited by philo2009; 20-Dec-2012 at 03:55.

  6. #6
    notletrest is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    551
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: About ellipsis

    Quote Originally Posted by philo2009 View Post
    As already noted, #1 and #3 represent transcripts of informal speech.

    #2 is unacceptable, since
    (1) we can never end a sentence/clause with a contracted form (he'll, etc.)
    (2) even with the restoration of full form 'will', you cannot ellipt the verb without implying its complement (to Tom), whereas here a new prepositional complement (to his sister) is suddenly introduced.
    Thank you for your reply.
    According to your first reason, it seems to me that we can't say :" He'll write to me."
    According to your second reason , it seems to me that "#2.She'll write to Tom and he'll to his sister." should change into #2.She'll write to Tom and he will write to Tom and his sister. Thus is it right. But it is not the author's idea.
    There is someone holding that in a sentence, if we use the apostrophe in the first part, then we mustn't use it again in the next part. So #2 should be changed into "2.She'll write to Tom and he will to his sister. If the conclusion is right, the correction of "2.She'll write to Tom and he'll write to his sister." which was made by Barb,is not right.
    Many thanks!
    Last edited by notletrest; 23-Dec-2012 at 08:19. Reason: correction

  7. #7
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj is offline VIP Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    28,168
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: About ellipsis

    Quote Originally Posted by notletrest View Post
    There is someone holding that in a sentence, if we use the apostrophe in the first part, then we mustn't use it again in the next part.
    Who claims that?
    So #2 should be changed into "2.She'll write to Tom and he will to his sister.
    Both Barb and philo have said that this is not acceptable.
    If the conclusion is right, the correction of "2.She'll write to Tom and he'll write to his sister." which was made by the above American woman teacher, is not right.
    The correction is right. 'The above American woman teacher' has a name, Barb. Your method of referring to her, with completely unnecessary mention of her nationality and gender, comes across as offensive. I am sure you did not intend this, but be careful in the future.
    Last edited by 5jj; 23-Dec-2012 at 08:18. Reason: typo

  8. #8
    notletrest is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    551
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: About ellipsis

    Thank 5jj for help and I have corrected it.

Similar Threads

  1. ellipsis
    By navi tasan in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 26-Jun-2012, 22:43
  2. ellipsis
    By navi tasan in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-Oct-2011, 12:50
  3. ellipsis
    By 2051han in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 30-Nov-2009, 08:14
  4. ellipsis
    By navi tasan in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 28-Jun-2008, 15:20
  5. Ellipsis
    By belly_ttt in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 18-Dec-2007, 07:42

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •