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    Hello,

    -All I want is you to be my bride for ever.

    Could you please tell me if it is grammatically OK or not?

    Thanks.

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    Default Re: all is you to

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Could you please tell me if it is grammatically OK or not?
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    It's not correct. It should be 'All I want is for you to be my bride for ever'.

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    Default Re: all is you to

    Can we say 'All I want is in order for you to be my bride for ever' instead of 'All I want is for you to be my bride for ever'?

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    Default Re: all is you to

    No.

    Stick to what CS said. 'Wife' would make more sense than 'bride' in this sentence.

    Rover

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    Default All I want is for you to be my bride for ever.

    All I want is for you to be my bride for ever.
    I have just read the above sentence in a thread. The meaning is clear to me but I don't understand its structure and how to make a sentence like that.
    All I want: subject
    is: linking verb
    Can I omit "for" in the sentence?
    All I want is you to be my bride for ever.
    I don't understand the using of "for" here.
    Thank you.

    I have merged this post with the original thread - they are very closely related. 5jj
    Last edited by 5jj; 14-Dec-2012 at 14:58. Reason: note added

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    Default Re: all is you to

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    No.

    Stick to what CS said. 'Wife' would make more sense than 'bride' in this sentence.

    Rover
    That may be, but seeing a wife as a bride is much more romantic and will probably lead to a happier life.

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    Default Re: all is you to

    anhnha wants to know what the 'for' is doing. But it's not that easy. Some people seem to think that any one word in any sentence can be tied down to a single describable function, and indeed some forums seem to encourage the belief.

    This 'for N to <verb>...' construction is informal. Formal contexts require a subjunctive - which, in Br Eng - isn't commonly used. Many people just don't use it. Some grammarians say a satisfactory description of current Br Eng doesn't require the word 'subjunctive'. But if you must say it it's 'All I want is that you should be...'. (In Am Eng the 'should' would be wrong - I think someone said that in another thread.)

    b

    PS Portuguese has a neat trick to avoid this problem - the 'personal infinitive'. 'to walk'/andar, 'for you to walk'/andares... etc

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    Default Re: all is you to (and the subjunctive)

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Many people just don't use it. Some grammarians say a satisfactory description of current Br Eng doesn't require the word 'subjunctive'.
    Please, tell me/us that you are NOT one of them!

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    But if you must say it it's 'All I want is that you should be...'.
    How about, "All I want is that you be happy"? (This is how I'd put it.)

    We, non-native speakers, have been warned against trusting song lyrics many times (admittedly, for a reason...), but this is the umpteenth time that I have found the lyrics of the rock opera, "Jesus Christ Superstar" very useful. (Granted, it doesn't fall into the category of those inferior lyrics that crop up even on this forum time after time.)
    Here is the part I'm referring to:
    "Listen, Jesus, I donít like what I see.
    All I ask is that you listen to me."


    PS: Far be it from me to take sides in this matter, but I think it is essential that the subjunctive stay alive. Long live the subjunctive!
    Dear native English speakers of this forum,
    Please, always point out my grammatical mistakes, assuming you have "the time and the inclination". That is really the most effective way for me to improve. Thank you very much.

    Please note that I am NOT an English teacher.

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    Default Re: all is you to (and the subjunctive)

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mav~ View Post
    "All I ask is that you listen to me."
    With 'you' as grammatical subject, the subjunctive form is the same as the indicative. If the subject were (subjunctive!) 'he,' then the verb would be 'listen' (subjunctive) or 'listens' (indicative).
    Far be it from me to take sides in this matter, but I think it is essential that the subjunctive stay alive. Long live the subjunctive!
    I am with Somerset Maugham - "The subjunctive mood is in its death throes, and the best thing to do is to put it out of its misery as soon as possible."
    Please do not edit your question after it has received a response. Such editing can make the response hard for others to understand.


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    Default Re: all is you to (and the subjunctive)

    I'm in the Maugham camp too, but I wouldn't go so far as to mark the subjunctive as 'wrong' if it were to be used - and of course there are many idiomatic phrases that use it ('be that as it may', 'come what may'...).

    And ~Mav~, my 'should' is a sort of audible crutch (and crutches, though not attractive, are sometimes necessary - especially in cases of terminal illness)

    b
    Last edited by BobK; 15-Dec-2012 at 14:56. Reason: Clarified and amplified

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