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    Default Whoever and Whomever in noun clauses

    Dear teachers.

    As far as my knowledge and as I stated in a previous thread about this topic, whoever acts as subject of a verb in the noun clause and whomever as object whether direct or indirect. I want your explanations in the following sentences found in a grammar book, in which noun clauses with whoever act as object and whomever as subject.

    WHOEVER

    1- We told whoever would listen to us our sad story (the noun clause whoever would listen to us is acting as indirect object of the verb tell)

    2- Give the book to whoever asks for it or give it to whoever asks for it (whoever asks for it is the indirect object of the verb give and the subject of the verb ask, in the second sentence is the direct object of the preposition to)

    WHOMEVER

    1- You think whomever smiles at you to be your friend (the noun clause whomever smiles at you is acting as the subject of the verb to be and whomever as the subject of the verb smile)

    2- Tell it whomever bought the car (whomever bought the car is the subject of the verb buy)


    Waiting for your assistance in this matter, remember these sentences were found in Websters New World english grammar handbook.


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    Default Re: Whoever and Whomever in noun clauses

    As soon as you wrote "the subject of the verb..." then you should have realized (based on other posts you've made on this topic) that the proper work is "whoever" not "whomever."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: Whoever and Whomever in noun clauses

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    As soon as you wrote "the subject of the verb..." then you should have realized (based on other posts you've made on this topic) that the proper work is "whoever" not "whomever."
    Thank you Barb_D for your comment, but these sentences was found in a grammar book.

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    Default Re: Whoever and Whomever in noun clauses

    Did you read this post in the last thread?

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    Default Re: Whoever and Whomever in noun clauses

    Quote Originally Posted by grammarfreak View Post
    WHOMEVER

    1- You think whomever smiles at you to be your friend (the noun clause whomever smiles at you is acting as the subject of the verb to be and whomever as the subject of the verb smile)

    2- Tell it whomever bought the car (whomever bought the car is the subject of the verb buy)


    Waiting for your assistance in this matter, remember these sentences were found in Websters New World english grammar handbook.
    In my opinon, these sentences are wrong.

    The verb "smiles" has a subject, and that subject should be "whoever" not "whomever." The entire clause could be replaced by "him" so I understand the desire to make it the objective case "whomever" but you choose between "whoever" and "whomever" (note 1) based on the role it plays in its embedded clause, not the role of the entire sentence.

    The verb "bought" has a subject, and that subject should be "whoever." The entire clause "whoever about the car" is the OBJECT in the sentence "tell it to ____."

    note 1: That is, if you choose as all, since I agree with 5jj that most natives don't use this at all.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: Whoever and Whomever in noun clauses

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    In my opinon, these sentences are wrong.

    The verb "smiles" has a subject, and that subject should be "whoever" not "whomever." The entire clause could be replaced by "him" so I understand the desire to make it the objective case "whomever" but you choose between "whoever" and "whomever" (note 1) based on the role it plays in its embedded clause, not the role of the entire sentence.

    The verb "bought" has a subject, and that subject should be "whoever." The entire clause "whoever about the car" is the OBJECT in the sentence "tell it to ____."

    note 1: That is, if you choose as all, since I agree with 5jj that most natives don't use this at all.
    Thank you again Barb :

    I will take your help for ganted, the motive of my doubt is due to that those sentences are written in a grammar book which I just made reference.


    Respecfully,

    Grammarfreak

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