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    The reason for

    1) The reason for him to have become irresponsible is unknown.
    Seems like he has become irresponsible and we don't know why.

    2) The reason for him to become irresponsible is unknown.

    Does it mean that we don't know the reason why he could become irresponsible in future?

    Is it possible that the second could be said by a native speaker with the intended meaning of the first one?

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    Re: The reason for

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    1) The reason for him to have become irresponsible is unknown.
    Seems like he has become irresponsible and we don't know why.

    2) The reason for him to become irresponsible is unknown.

    Does it mean that we don't know the reason why he could become irresponsible in future?

    Is it possible that the second could be said by a native speaker with the intended meaning of the first one?
    Neither one is natural. They wouldn't be used by native speakers.

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    Re: The reason for

    I think we should clearly differentiate "idiomaticity" from "the pure grammar." I have no doubt about what you said, however, there can be added something in behalf of the grammatical element of the issue. Being a non-native speaker, I wouldn't say it that way too, but these two are just examples to show and find out how different forms of the infinitive work.
    Do you find the interpretations of what each sentence means to be correct?

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    Re: The reason for

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    Do you find the interpretations of what each sentence means to be correct?
    No, because the sentences are so unnatural that little idea of the intended meaning comes through.

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    Re: The reason for

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    No, because the sentences are so unnatural that little idea of the intended meaning comes through.
    Indeed, a sheer mystery.

    The reason for him to become convinced of the validity of the new model was that is was based, as he calls it in the same preface, on "solid principles"... by Peter M. Engelfriet

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    Re: The reason for

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotfor View Post
    Indeed, a sheer mystery.

    The reason for him to become convinced of the validity of the new model was that is was based, as he calls it in the same preface, on "solid principles"... by Peter M. Engelfriet
    Peter M Engelfriet is a Dutch academic and not a native English speaker.

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    Re: The reason for

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    Peter M Engelfriet is a Dutch academic and not a native English speaker.
    This doesn't really mean much because:
    1) You haven't provided any info saying that his parents/relatives are not English-speaking people.
    2) He must have had his script proofread by a native.
    3) May be you think that Otto Jespersen's work should also be discredited on the ground of him being danish?

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    Re: The reason for

    I have closed this thread - it seems to be getting nowhere fast.

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