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    Question He thus the queen bespoke.

    Sentence: He thus the queen bespoke. (Taken from wiktionary for bespoke, cant post links, sorry).

    What does this mean? I mean I dont really understand the structure of this sentence, I would expect something like

    "And thus the queen bespoke" as in "And thus the queen addressed her subjects". Where am I wrong?

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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    The words are from a 17th century poem. Even in Dryden's time, people would not have said that in normal speech and writing. The normal rules of grammar are often not observed in poetry, and archaic words may be used.
    Please do not edit your question after it has received a response. Such editing can make the response hard for others to understand.


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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    Welcome to the forums, never.stop.learning.

    Here's the link.

    It's a line from a poem of John Dryden (1631-1700), so its usage has been obsolete for a long time. Forget it (unless you are studying the works of Dryden).

    It means 'He addressed the queen in these words.'

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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    "Bespoke" is not used today, so I would not worry about it.

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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    And thus the queen address her subjects
    You've got the wrong tense.

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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    "Bespoke" is not used today, so I would not worry about it.
    ...except (in Br Eng at least) in the collocation 'bespoke suit' (where it means 'made-to-measure [= not off-the-peg]'). Even in this context, it's falling out of use. Not many modern shops advertise 'bespoke tailoring'.

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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    ...except (in Br Eng at least) in the collocation 'bespoke suit' (where it means 'made-to-measure [= not off-the-peg]'). Even in this context, it's falling out of use. Not many modern shops advertise 'bespoke tailoring'.

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    Interesting. I'd never heard this phrase.

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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    You'll see it in Savile Row and other such areas.

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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    You'll see it in Savile Row and other such areas.
    When I went for my last fitting in Savile Row, I met my Harley Street doctor. We discovered that we both bought our guns from Rowland Watson, the bespoke gunsmith and used the bespoke services of the chocolatier Herzog and the bespoke goldsmith Sherry when we bought little gifts for our friends. It's a small world.

    Then I woke up.

    Note to learners. 'Bespoke' is rarely used by normal humans. Only the rich and famous would patronise the establishments I mentioned.
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    Default Re: He thus the queen bespoke.

    Rowland Watson? Bah, cheapskate.

    On an irrelevant aside, I recently heard that hunting jackets get their name (hunting pink(s)) from the shirtmaker Thomas Pink who was the go-to place to buy them, which explains the mismatch with the colour.

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