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    Default personal construction in the passive

    I've got a problem with changing this sentence into passive :
    We hope they will send us an invitation

    Can I change it into personal construction?
    They are hoped to send us an invitation.

    We is a problem here. It isn't hoped in general by people. It is a quite specific personal hope because "We hope".

    I know I can say:
    We hope to be sent an invitation
    And probably:
    We hope taht an invitation will be sent to us.

    But what about the personal construction?

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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    If the 'we' is important, then leave it in the active.
    Please do not edit your question after it has received a response. Such editing can make the response hard for others to understand.


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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    Why do you want to change a perfectly good sentence into a contrived passive form?

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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    Quote Originally Posted by angelene001 View Post
    I've got a problem with changing this sentence into passive :
    We hope they will send us an invitation

    Can I change it into personal construction?
    They are hoped to send us an invitation.

    We is a problem here. It isn't hoped in general by people. It is a quite specific personal hope because "We hope".

    I know I can say:
    We hope to be sent an invitation
    And probably:
    We hope taht an invitation will be sent to us.

    But what about the personal construction?
    "It is hoped by us that an invitation will be sent to us by them."
    It's very silly - don't use it.

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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Why do you want to change a perfectly good sentence into a contrived passive form?

    Rover
    I have to change it into some passive form because it's an exercise.
    The key to the grammar book says:
    We hope to be sent an invitation

    I'm just wondering about other acceptable possibilities.

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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    "It is hoped by us that an invitation will be sent to us by them."
    It's very silly - don't use it.
    Can hope be used in personal construction in the passive?
    People hope that the president will help the poor. ---> The president is hoped to help the poor.

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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    Quote Originally Posted by angelene001 View Post
    Can hope be used in personal construction in the passive?
    People hope that the president will help the poor. ---> The president is hoped to help the poor.
    No. It is hoped that the president will help the poor.
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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    No. It is hoped that the president will help the poor.
    Thank you :)
    But is it just unnatural and silly or is it a grammatical mistake?

    So not all of the reporting verbs can be used in both personal and impersonal constructions.

    The author of this is wrong (Look at the sentence number 16 in the key):
    http://www.eoioviedo.org/anacarmen/passive/Passive.pdf


    Of course, I know that many of the information on the Internet is wrong :)

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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    Quote Originally Posted by angelene001 View Post
    Thank you :)
    But is it just unnatural and silly or is it a grammatical mistake?

    So not all of the reporting verbs can be used in both personal and impersonal constructions.

    The author of this is wrong (Look at the sentence number 16 in the key):
    http://www.eoioviedo.org/anacarmen/passive/Passive.pdf


    Of course, I know that many of the information on the Internet is wrong :)
    You should only trust pages that seem authoritative, for example university websites. This pdf is written by Ana Carmen. Who is Ana Carmen and what are her qualifications? No one knows because she seems to be a private freelancer who has put up a page with some grammar rules on it. She says nothing about herself.
    I'd call her sentences starting "People believe ... " unnatural, as in "People believe that thousands of birds died."

    This is the sort of site you should be looking for: Welcome to the Purdue University Online Writing Lab (OWL)

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    Default Re: personal construction in the passive

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    You should only trust pages that seem authoritative, for example university websites. This pdf is written by Ana Carmen. Who is Ana Carmen and what are her qualifications? No one knows because she seems to be a private freelancer who has put up a page with some grammar rules on it. She says nothing about herself.
    I'd call her sentences starting "People believe ... " unnatural, as in "People believe that thousands of birds died."

    This is the sort of site you should be looking for: Welcome to the Purdue University Online Writing Lab (OWL)
    But sentences starting "People believe ..." are common in grammar books.
    You have to change such a sentence into personal construction and the right answer is "He is believed to win" or "The missing jewellery is believed to have been found"

    As a learner I have no idea what sounds unnatural and what doesn't.

    But from a purely grammatical point of view, "He is believed to win" or "He is hoped to win" is correct, isn't it?
    It probably sounds silly, nobody uses such sentences but theoretically it's ok. Right?

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