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    grammar

    i want to have the usage of have had, had have and had had together.

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    Re: grammar

    Welcome to the forum.

    Please read some other posts to see how the forum works. Your question is far too general. You can find that information in good grammar textbooks. After studying the usage, you can ask us to explain things you still don't understand. You will need to give specific examples and full sentences.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Re: grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by Nusrat kanchwala View Post
    i wa toread and write Thai at an earlier stage in my lifeead and write Thai at an earlier stage in my life. read and write Thai at an earlier stage in my life. have the usage of have had, had have and had had together.
    Hi Nusrat

    First, a request, as per the forum rules, for you to include part of your query in the thread subject. It helps responders considerably if you include, say, "have had/had have" in the subject.

    With regards to your actual query, as an NES, but not a teacher, my usage would be as follows - I would leave the teachers to define the corresponding rules and to advise if my version works for them:

    1. I have had few better opportunities to learn to read and write Thai at an earlier stage in my life.
    2. I wish that I had have been able to learn to read and write Thai at an earlier stage in my life. (?)
    3. I wish I had had the opportunity to read and write Thai at an earlier stage in my life.

    I'm not fully sure whether number 2 is correct - I would have probably omitted the word have in normal conversation.

    Hope this helps.
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    Last edited by Route21; 02-Feb-2013 at 11:43. Reason: Punctuation correction

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    Re: grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    1. I have had few better opportunities to learn to read and write Thai at an earlier stage in my life.
    2. I wish that I had have been able to learn to read and write Thai at an earlier stage in my life. (?)
    3. I wish I had had the opportunity to read and write Thai at an earlier stage in my life.
    #1 is unlikely.
    We normally use a past tense with a past time.
    #2 is incorrect. Although some native speakers us 'had have', most teachers and writers consider it to be unacceptable.

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    Re: grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    #lis unlikely.
    We normally use a past tense with a past time.
    #2 is incorrect. Although some native speakers us 'had have', most teachers and writers consider it to be unacceptable.
    Yes, as mentioned, like 5jj, I was a little concerned over the acceptability of #2, but had heard it spoken by NES's.

    Expanding on #1, would the following addition make #1 more acceptable?

    1. ........... in my life than I have had in the past 3 months.

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    Re: grammar

    Could another possibilty, for #1, be:

    I have had few opportunities to learn to read and write Thai over the past few months.

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    Re: grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    Could another possibilty, for #1, be:

    I have had few opportunities to learn to read and write Thai over the past few months.

    R21
    There's nothing wrong with that sentence.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Re: grammar

    ps. Wecome back R21. We've missed you.

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    Re: grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    ps. Wecome back R21. We've missed you.
    Cheers!
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    It makes it a lot easier to access the web.
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