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    twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Do the following two sentences have the same meaning, or B is one time higher than A? Thank you very much.

    A. Your salary is twice as high as mine.
    B. Your salary is two times higher than mine.

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Quote Originally Posted by maoyueh View Post
    Do the following two sentences have the same meaning, or B is one time higher than A? Thank you very much.

    A. Your salary is twice as high as mine.
    B. Your salary is two times higher than mine.
    They would appear to mean the same, but I can't see any good reason to use B.

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    They would appear to mean the same, but I can't see any good reason to use B.
    There is fair body of literature to the effect that the two phrases do not mean the same thing. That is, a number that is twice as higher as another number is two times as high as the other number. But a number that is two time higher than another number would would be three times as high as the other the number. For example, 2 is twice as high or two times as high as 1; 3 is three times as high or two times higher than 1. I maintain a web page discussing that literature, but also discussing how "times higher" and similar usages predominate even in scientific journals. See the Times Higher Issues subpage of the Vignettes page of jpscanlan.com.

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Quote Originally Posted by jscanlan View Post
    There is fair body of literature to the effect that the two phrases do not mean the same thing. That is, a number that is twice as higher as another number is two times as high as the other number. But a number that is two time higher than another number would would be three times as high as the other the number. For example, 2 is twice as high or two times as high as 1; 3 is three times as high or two times higher than 1. I maintain a web page discussing that literature, but also discussing how "times higher" and similar usages predominate even in scientific journals. See the Times Higher Issues subpage of the Vignettes page of jpscanlan.com.
    Another good reason to avoid option "B."

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Sorry to poke my nose in but I have a question about your comments, Jscanlan.

    I'm not familiar with the expression "twice as higher as another number." I learned that we should put a positive form like old and young, not older or younger. How come you use this expression and it is grammatically correct? If you give any explanations or pointers, I'd be very happy. Thank you.

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Quote Originally Posted by hetzer View Post
    Sorry to poke my nose in but I have a question about your comments, Jscanlan.

    I'm not familiar with the expression "twice as higher as another number." I learned that we should put a positive form like old and young, not older or younger. How come you use this expression and it is grammatically correct? If you give any explanations or pointers, I'd be very happy. Thank you.
    I'd guess that is a typo. It could be meaningful, but it would be confusing, given that people can't even cope with "two times higher."

    But since you ask: A = 1 metre high; B = 2 m; C = 3m.
    C is 2 metres higher than A; B is 1 meter higher than A; Both B and C are higher than A, but C is twice as higher than A than B is. And C is just as higher than B as B is than A.
    (Now, please forget all about it).

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Thanks.
    But your explanation gives me another question.
    Is "C is twice as higher than A" grammatically correct? I have never heard nor read this expression.

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Quote Originally Posted by hetzer View Post
    Thanks.
    But your explanation gives me another question.
    Is "C is twice as higher than A" grammatically correct? I have never heard nor read this expression.
    No it isn't.

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    Of course not. Just think about it. The words 'as high as' make a comparison; 'higher' is comparative. Using them both at the same time makes no sense.

    (Of course, the fact that something makes no sense doesn't mean nobody will ever use it. In Nashville Cats John Sebastian wrote something like - you can find it on the net if you can stand the bombardment of spam pushing ring-tones! - 'they all play twice as better than I will'.)

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    Re: twice as high as vs two times higher than

    You'll even find twice as gooder if you search.

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