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    including means together with

    Hello all users!

    I would like to check with you that I get the following phrase right.

    By the phrase I mean "including".

    All wiring connections to the board are made by connectors including a connector socket for a remote control unit.

    I would like to know if "including" in the sentence above means "together with".

    The sentence is taken from a manual regarding A DC Electrical Control System.

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    If someone substituted "together with" for "including" I would have trouble understanding what the sentence means. It isn't clear why the writer felt it necessary to make specific reference to the socket for a remote control unit. Perhaps he or she just wanted to mention the fact that a remote control exists and chose this slightly awkward and indirect way of doing so.

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    Re: including means together with

    Quote Originally Posted by JACEK1 View Post
    Hello all users!

    I would like to check with you that I get the following phrase right.

    By the phrase I mean "including".

    All wiring connections to the board are made by connectors including a connector socket for a remote control unit.

    I would like to know if "including" in the sentence above means "together with".

    The sentence is taken from a manual regarding A DC Electrical Control System.
    It's wrongly used here.
    No, 'including' shouldn't be used to mean 'plus'. If the connector socket is a connector, the sentence is right.
    "10 connectors including a connector socket" means 10 units total, one of which is the connector socket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    It's wrongly used here.
    No, 'including' shouldn't be used to mean 'plus'. If the connector socket is a connector, the sentence is right.
    "10 connectors including a connector socket" means 10 units total, one of which is the connector socket.
    It is bad writing, but it is a type of bad writing that one does run across. It think the firm decided to avoid the expense of employing a technical writer by allowing its technicians to do the writing instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    It is bad writing, but it is a type of bad writing that one does run across. It think the firm decided to avoid the expense of employing a technical writer by allowing its technicians to do the writing instead.
    Yes, one does come across it. That's all the more reason for pointing out that it's wrong.
    One day a war will start because of errors like this!

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    Re: including means together with

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    It's wrongly used here.
    No, 'including' shouldn't be used to mean 'plus'. If the connector socket is a connector, the sentence is right.
    "10 connectors including a connector socket" means 10 units total, one of which is the connector socket.
    I read it as the "connector socket for the remote control unit" is indeed another "connector."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    I read it as the "connector socket for the remote control unit" is indeed another "connector."
    I'm not sure what you mean by "another connector". Do you mean "10 connections including a connector socket" is 11 items to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by "another connector". Do you mean "10 connections including a connector socket" is 11 items to you?
    No, ten items. I meant "it is included in the set of things known as 'connectors.'"

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    In my opinion, the sense of the phrase would change if a comma were placed before "including". Then, it would mean "plus".

    All wiring connections to the board are made by connectors, including a connector socket for a remote control unit.

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    No, "including" doesn't mean "plus."

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