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    Lightbulb I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    Hello guys,

    Actually it's a massive honour to be right here with you

    I just need a kind of help, and I'm sure it's the best place for that

    I'm an Egyptian Guy, 18 years old

    I'm very interested in studying and learning English especially the British accent
    I love it indeed

    So, I'd like to know
    what's the best guaranteed site for the right British Pronunciation ?

    another question ...

    at every word that ends with ing or ong

    Which pronunciation is right ? "Playing" or "Playin'"
    "King" or "Kin' ?!!

    Surely I mean at the British accent

    Thank you.

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    Default Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    As an NES but not a teacher:

    Best site for BrE pronunciation?: Looks like you've already found it!

    If you want to speak English correctly, you should always pronounce the final "g" in "-ing" and "-ong".
    "Playin'/runnin'/walkin' etc" are often heard, but don't represent good/correct English and should be avoided.
    Unlike typical "Thai-speak", in English you should always specifically pronounce the ending where not doing so makes the meaning ambiguous.
    In your example, the meaning of "kin" is a totally different from that of "king".

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    PS: An example of "Thai-speak" is "lie", which could mean "lie", "lied", "light", "rice", "ride", "right", "write", "rai" (size of a typical ricefield) etc.
    Last edited by Route21; 29-Mar-2013 at 04:09.

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    Default Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    If you want to speak English correctly, you should always pronounce the final "g" in "-ing" and "-ong".
    Note that the g in -ng is not pronounced like the g in 'bug'. the letters ng represent a single sound - /ŋ/.

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    Default Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    Oh! I wasn't aware that the "ng" consonant cluster in English was regarded as a single consonant. You live and learn!

    There's a single consonant "ง" in Thai that equates to the English "ng".
    The difference is that, in Thai, words can and do start with the consonant "ง" - as in "ngu", which means snake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    Oh! I wasn't aware that the "ng" consonant cluster in English was regarded as a single consonant.
    It's not a consonant cluster. It's a separate phoneme. Compare:

    singer -- one phoneme in the middle, /ŋ/ and finger, two phonemes, /ŋg/.

    Although some people don't realise it, the sound we produce in such words as sink, bank, trunk, is /ŋ/, not /n/.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velar_nasal
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    Default Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    The problem I have is that I have never pronounced "singer" and "finger" differently.

    I have a similar problem with "Teach yourself Thai" books that say that the sound they write as "a" should be pronounced like the "u" in "put" (but never like the "u" in "but"). I similarly would have pronounced them the same way.

    I have also never thought of "bank" etc as having an "ng" "phoneme".
    "Bangkok" includes "ngk", and uses the Thai "ง", but Thais call it "Grungtep" rather than Bangkok anyway!

    It seems I have a lot more to learn.

    Many thanks for the link. It also helps me to understand the pronunciation difference between the Thai words "nu" (rat) and "ngu" (snake). It's a wee bit difficult when you are asking if what you've just seen in the garden is a harmless rat snake (ngu nu) or a cobra! We also get huge pythons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    The problem I have is that I have never pronounced "singer" and "finger" differently.
    Then I guess you are not from Southern England. In some dialects of BrE, 'singer' contains the /g/ phoneme, but I don't think that 'sing' does. In any case, you will know from radio and television what the RP pronunciation of 'singer' is.
    I have a similar problem with "Teach yourself Thai" books that say that the sound they write as "a" should be pronounced like the "u" in "put" (but never like the "u" in "but"). I similarly would have pronounced them the same way.
    A feature of many dialects of Northern England is that 'but' has the same vowel as 'put'. Once again, you will be aware of the RP version of the vowel in 'but' even if you don't use it.
    I have also never thought of "bank" etc as having an "ng" "phoneme".
    "Bangkok" includes "ngk",
    I do not know how you personally pronounce the word 'bank', but speakers of most dialects/varieties of BrE, pronounce the word 'bank' with exactly the same phonemes as they use in 'Bangkok' Try saying 'ban/bank' several times. I think you'll find that your tongue touches the alveolar ridge for the /n/ of 'ban' but not for the /ŋ/ of 'bank'. Don't be misled by the spelling.

    Now try saying "I live in London' and 'I live in Cardiff' as naturally as you can. You'll probably find that, in the first sentence, 'in' is pronounced with a /n/ sound. In the second, it has become an /ŋ/ . We don't think about this; it just happens.

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    Default Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    I pronounce such words as going - goin', dancing - dancin', running - runnin', making - makin' et cetera. I pronounce these words in this way, because it's easier for me. Sometimes I try to pronounce these words correctly at school, but it's not easy. :)

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    Thank you guys,

    So, What is the best guaranteed site to hear the pronunciation from ?

    [British Pronunciation]

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    Default Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    English has been in Britain for a very long time, so there are hundreds of accents there, and no single "British Pronunciation."

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