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    Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    Oh, 5jj, was that Eton, or Harrow?
    Based on a furrowed brow, it may well have been a harrowing experience wherever it was.

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    PS: You don't get many brown cows in Thailand, so, if you do see one, you may well say "How now brown cow"!

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    #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    ...think of Pygmalion/My Fair Lady.
    The best-ever accent reduction course! There must have been a professional phonetician in the film crew - even though shown in fragments, the whole approach seems to cover the most crucial points in dealing with pronunciation.
    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    There are many very successful English (I deliberately use that word rather than 'British') people who do not speak RP, and no serious linguist considers non-RP varieties in any way inferior. It is, however a fact (regrettable in my opinion) that for many years RP and similar southern British 'educated' varieties of English were, within England at least, considered to be a sign of intellectual superiority.
    "I want to talk like a lady" (Pygmalion, Act II)
    Linguists might think whatever they like but these "inferior-superior" matters, although stemming from the dim and distant past are still deeply rooted throughout the world. Sadly, the OP is not lonely in his desire to "talk like a lady".
    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    While listening materials provided with most modern course books do use speakers of other varieties of English, they mostly avoid the 'stronger' dialects, and the bulk of the listening material is roughly 'educated' southern English. As a result, many learners believe that RP and similar varieties are 'standard' British English, and they have genuine difficulties in understanding speakers of other varieties.
    Well, nowadays, the variety of accents in the listening part could be one of the strongest reasons for (or against) a particular course book, but definitely not the only one. While 'accent awareness' should be developed, the teacher, imo, has to be realistic about the outcomes, especially when even native speakers might have difficulties in understanding certain 'heavy' accents.
    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    ... /ŋ/ in 'bank' or 'in Cardiff' ... 'handbag' as /hæmbæg/...
    I assume there are other examples of casual pronunciation and would be genuinely grateful for any references, links or whatever for my Dip course.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    I have to admit that I am on one of my hobby-horses. I honestly don't care what method (grammar-translation, direct, audio-lingual, communicative, etc) a teacher uses, so long as the learner is enabled to communicate in English. I believe passionately that teachers, however they enable learning, must, in order to be able to do this, have a clear understanding themselves of the grammar of English and of the way in which native speakers actually produce the sounds of English.
    Absolutely! One cannot teach Maths without knowing the subject inside out, how could it be possible in terms of English?
    Incidentally, the most compelling hobby-horse!

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    #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esgaleth View Post
    I assume there are other examples of casual pronunciation and would be genuinely grateful for any references, links or whatever for my Dip course.
    I'd regard them as natural features of normal conversation rather than examples of 'casual pronunciation'. Except in formal speech, deliberate attempts to avoid such features can sound very stilted.

    See what you can find out about such Aspects of Connected Speech as assimilation, elision, liking and juncture juncture.

    My trainees used to find Gerald Kelly (2000) How to to Teach Pronunciation (Longman, 2000) very useful. It's on the lists of books recommended by many DELTA and Dip TESOL course providers.

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    #24

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    Oh, right, I had forgotten about the meaning of 'prep' schools back in Blighty. Thanks, 5jj.

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    #25

    Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    I'd regard them as natural features of normal conversation rather than examples of 'casual pronunciation'. Except in formal speech, deliberate attempts to avoid such features can sound very stilted.

    See what you can find out about such Aspects of Connected Speech as assimilation, elision, liking and juncture juncture.

    My trainees used to find Gerald Kelly (2000) How to to Teach Pronunciation (Longman, 2000) very useful. It's on the lists of books recommended by many DELTA and Dip TESOL course providers.
    Thanks a lot. You are right, these books are on the core reading list (and my bedside table). Just with so much information available there's always a risk of missing something really important.

    ps. It's an interesting question, what can be considered 'casual', 'normal' or 'formal. My belief is that in long monologues - presentations, explanations, narratives - people tend to articulate more carefully than in animated, two-way conversations, but of course it could be very personal.

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    #26

    Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    I am egyptian living in Egypt too ... I got my british accent from movies and some british friends ...also check these links RP British Accent Training Part One - YouTube
    British accent lesson (e-course) ? - YouTube
    It will not take u too long if you already have an american accent .
    Last edited by A.jordan; 12-May-2013 at 11:55.

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    #27

    Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    Quote Originally Posted by A.jordan View Post
    dude I am an Egyptian living in Egypt too. I got my British accent from movies and some British friend. and Also check these links RP British Accent Training Part One - YouTube
    British accent lesson (e-course) ? - YouTube
    It will not take you too long if you already have an American accent.
    Welcome to the forum A.jordan.

    Please remember the rules of written English on this forum:

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    #28

    Re: I need some answeres to be fluent at British accent !

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Welcome to the forum A.jordan.

    Please remember the rules of written English on this forum:

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    Perhaps we shall soon be able to have the server refuse to post any messages not respecting such basic rules....

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