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    #1

    not to V and in order not to V.

    Hi, teacher!
    1- I come here in order not to meet him.
    2- I come here not to meet him.
    Are there any differences between the above sentences, please?

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    #2

    Re: not to V and in order not to V.

    As an NES but not a teacher, I believe there could be a slight difference:

    1- I come here in order not to meet him - I've gone somewhere else, to avoid meeting him.
    2- I come here not to meet him - I came here to see him perform [in the theatre] but not specifically to meet him.

    Hope this helps
    R21

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    #3

    Re: not to V and in order not to V.

    Quote Originally Posted by hoangkha View Post
    Hi, teacher!
    1- I come here in order not to meet him.
    2- I come here not to meet him.
    Are there any differences between the above sentences, please?
    They both seem very unnatural to me. What exactly do you want to say?

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    Re: not to V and in order not to V.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    They both seem very unnatural to me. What exactly do you want to say?
    Are there any differences between the above sentences in meaning, please?

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    #5

    Re: not to V and in order not to V.

    Quote Originally Posted by hoangkha View Post
    Are there any differences between the above sentences in meaning, please?
    Questions like this puzzle us, hoangka. If they are both unnatural, why do you want to use them at all?
    I come here so I don't have to see him.
    I come here to avoid meeting him.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: not to V and in order not to V.

    The above sentences are my teacher's, not mine. Below is his explanation.
    #1 means that I avoid meeting him or I don't want to meet him.
    #2 means that my purpose is to do something else.
    I am wondering whether the explanation is right.

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    Re: not to V and in order not to V.

    It's a perfect match to what Route 21 said in the first response to this thread.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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