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    Re: take up thy bed and walk

    Hello emsr2d2,

    Thank you very much for your comment.

    I know not all native English speakers are Christians.
    I'm not good at English, but not that ignorant either (I hope).

    It's very difficult to explain with my poor English, but I've realized sometimes there are more meanings
    and hints that you can't pick up only with dictionaries and grammar knowledge.
    Sometimes you need common sense and cultural background to understand the meanings.

    I'm not sure if it's a good example, but my American friend explained a sentence "I saw my life for what it was".
    And she mentioned "for what" in this case only is used for negative meaning, which I wouldn't know if she didn't tell me.

    When I look up "take up" in my dictionaries, there are several explanations, but look very vague for me.
    So I was wondering if I get some hints here.

    Maybe I haven't made myself understood, but it's the best I could.

    Thank you,
    Tara




    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    It wasn't a stupid question at all.

    I'm not really sure why native English speakers would have a particular view of this story based on our cultural background. Unless you are suggesting that all native English speakers are Christians who read and believe the stories in the Bible. That is not the case.

    Saying "I don't care" is perhaps a little too dramatically casual! It's simply that what he did with the bed is completely unimportant and that is perhaps why that information doesn't appear in the story.

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    #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by tara View Post
    Hello emsr2d2,

    Thank you very much for your comment.

    I know not all native English speakers are Christians.
    I'm not good at English, but not that ignorant either (I hope).

    It's very difficult to explain with my poor English, but I've realized sometimes there are more meanings
    and hints that you can't pick up only with dictionaries and grammar knowledge.
    Sometimes you need common sense and cultural background to understand the meanings.

    I'm not sure if it's a good example, but my American friend explained a sentence "I saw my life for what it was".
    And she mentioned "for what" in this case only is used for negative meaning, which I wouldn't know if she didn't tell me.

    When I look up "take up" in my dictionaries, there are several explanations, but look very vague for me.
    So I was wondering if I get some hints here.

    Maybe I haven't made myself understood, but it's the best I could.

    Thank you,
    Tara
    I thought you were looking for different connotations to the whole story, rather than just the phrasal verb "to take up". I was not suggesting that you were ignorant at all!

    I'm a little confused by the example you gave involving your American friend. The phrase "for what" doesn't give that sentence any particular tone. In fact "I saw my life for what it was" isn't necessarily negative. I can see that it would be in certain contexts but I can also imagine perhaps an arrogant, thoughtless millionaire who had recently visited a village in a third world country suddenly say "I saw my life for what it was" (ie he realised that he was a very lucky, fortunate, rich man who could have everything he wanted, so he saw his life for the privileged life it was.)
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    #13

    Re: take up thy bed and walk

    Hello emsr2d2,

    Thank you so much for your comment again.

    >I was not suggesting that you were ignorant at all!

    I know you weren't!
    I meant it for a joke, but it obviously fell flat.


    And thank you very much for your detailed explanation about "for what".
    I didn't mean to ask you another question here, but I appreciate your kind remark.

    Thank you,
    Tara

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    #14

    Re: take up thy bed and walk

    There's no need to look for a special meaning of 'take up'; it just means 'pick up''. ('Take up' would rarely - if ever - have that meaning in current English. In current English, 'take up' is usually metaphorical, in the sense 'begin to study or practise'.) And remember the setting - first-century Palestine. The bed was not a piece of solid furniture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    There's no need to look for a special meaning of 'take up'; it just means 'pick up''. ('Take up' would rarely - if ever - have that meaning in current English. In current English, 'take up' is usually metaphorical, in the sense 'begin to study or practise'.) And remember the setting - first-century Palestine. The bed was not a piece of solid furniture.

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    Hello BobK,

    I see. Thank you very much for your kind explanation.

    Thank you,
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