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    You would have preferred to have/have had joined me though.

    You would have preferred to have joined me though.

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    You would have preferred to have had joined me though.


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    Re: You would have preferred to have/have had joined me though.

    Quote Originally Posted by eyefordetail View Post
    You would have preferred to have joined me though.

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    You would have preferred to have had joined me though.


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    The first one is not a natural sentence. The second one is wrong.

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    Re: You would have preferred to have/have had joined me though.



    Ask yourself: What was the preference? -> to join him.

    'You would have preferred to join me though' is quite possible - in the appropriate context.

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    PS (for the non-fence-sitters): I know there's a tendency to reduplicate perfects meaninglessly in sentences like this; I can't for the life of me think why.

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    Re: You would have preferred to have/have had joined me though.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    I know there's a tendency to reduplicate perfects meaninglessly in sentences like this; I can't for the life of me think why.
    It's very common with 'would like':

    1. I would like (now) to have been there (then).
    2. I would have liked (then) to be there (then)
    3. I would have liked (then) to have been there (previously).

    #3 is often used when #1 or #1 would be more appropriate.

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    Re: You would have preferred to have/have had joined me though.

    I wonder if this is another one of those American differences. The versions with "have" in the second part sound very natural to me.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: You would have preferred to have/have had joined me though.

    I would use either:

    I would have preferred to join him.
    I would prefer to have joined him.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Re: You would have preferred to have/have had joined me though.

    But they mean different things. Each is right in its place. Sometimes one's preference at some time in the past may differ from what - now - one would have preferred.

    'I would have preferred to keep my cool, but I'm afraid I lost my temper.'
    'I would prefer to have kept my cool; it would have been more adult.'

    The distinction is slight, but sometimes I think it's worth making.

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    Re: You would have preferred to have/have had joined me though.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    But they mean different things. Each is right in its place. Sometimes one's preference at some time in the past may differ from what - now - one would have preferred.

    'I would have preferred to keep my cool, but I'm afraid I lost my temper.'
    'I would prefer to have kept my cool; it would have been more adult.'

    The distinction is slight, but sometimes I think it's worth making.

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    Yes. I should have said that the two sentences refer to preferences which were present at different times. I was just making the point that I would put "prefer" with "to have joined" and "have preferred" with "to join", but not the two perfects in the same sentence.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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