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    Default ɒ, the counterpart to ɔ in AmE?

    I think /ɒ/ as in not, hot, cot in BrE is the counterpart to /ɔ/ as in call, ball, hall in AmE.
    I watched the video of /ɒ/ pronunciation, and it was showing making round lips to make the sound, which is similar to American /ɔ/.
    For both /ɒ/ and /ɔ/, do they actually round their lips or in many cases, just pronounce it simiar to schwa /ə/? If you speak fast, you wouldn't make a difference between /ɒ/or /ɔ/ and /ə/, as rounding lips would reduce speech speed.

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    Default Re: ɒ, the counterpart to ɔ in AmE?

    Maybe I asked too many questions. Please just answer me about if they round their lips for /ɒ/ or it is similar to schwa.

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    Default Re: ɒ, the counterpart to ɔ in AmE?

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    Maybe I asked too many questions.
    No. The problem is that your first sentence, "I think /ɒ/ as in not, hot, cot in BrE is the counterpart to /ɔ/ as in call, ball, hall in AmE." is not clear. For nearly all speakers of BrE and some speakers of AmE , the vowels in 'cot' and 'caught' are different phonemes. For other speakers of AmE, these two words are pronounced identically; there is only one vowel phoneme. There is also the problem that American and British writers sometimes use different symbols when they transcribe phonologically. .

    So, if you are asking a question about this vowel/these vowels, you will either have to use IPA phonetic (not phonemic) symbols, or provide links to sites where we can hear the sound(s) you are talking about.

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    Default Re: ɒ, the counterpart to ɔ in AmE?

    I know your deep consideration for cot-caught merger, which I have been worried about for a long time. I've learned speaking English from mostly the people from Utah who are cot-caught merged. And I have long mistaken the fact that most American are so, which is not according to the stastistics it's roughly 43%(merged) to 57%(unmerged).
    Even merged people pronounce the three vowels in "call, ball, hall" as same as non-merged people do. So these vowels are not "a" but the original /ɔ/, which is like a round bigger version of schwa. So based on this standard, would you please answer my question?

    "I think /ɒ/ as in not, hot, cot in BrE is the counterpart to /ɔ/ as in call, ball, hall in AmE"

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    Default Re: ɒ, the counterpart to ɔ in AmE?

    Quote Originally Posted by keannu View Post
    "I think /ɒ/ as in not, hot, cot in BrE is the counterpart to /ɔ/ as in call, ball, hall in AmE"
    I do not understand what you want to know. What do you mean by 'counterpart'?

    The RP /ɒ/ of BrE 'cot' has a very similar quality to that of the secondary Cardinal vowel [ɒ], i.e. an open, lip-rounded Cardinal Vowel [ɑ].
    It is not the same phoneme as the /ɑ:/ (between CV [a] and [ɑ], closer to the latter) of 'calm' in RP and General American, or the /ɔ:/ (somewhere between CV[ɔ] and CV [o] of BrE 'call'.

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    Default Re: ɒ, the counterpart to ɔ in AmE?

    By "counterpart" I meant the two look and sound similar to each other. [ɒ] and American /ɔ:/ seem to make round lips with the sound going inward like schwa. Maybe both are similar, but there's slightly little differences, which I need to watch through videos. Thanks!

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