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    Smile Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    Hello everyone,

    I want to know if noun clause 'that' must be included in sentences or it's always optional and more formal.


    For example,

    It turned out that she had not gone back home and stayed outside.
    the ball possession of both teams demonstrates how bad the teams are this match.
    Last edited by saloom2; 24-Apr-2013 at 23:13.
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    Default Re: Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    Quote Originally Posted by saloom2 View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I want to know if noun clause 'that' must be included in sentences or it's always optional and more formal.


    For example,

    It turned out that she had not went back home and stayed outside.
    the ball possession of both teams demonstrates how bad the teams are this match.
    Look at the words I have marked in red. What tense do you think this is? Can you find "had went" or "had not went" for me anywhere in a table of conjugation of verbs?
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Default Re: Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    I should go to sleep, I guess.
    I wish I had better English, but I work hard to improve it. I'm studying for IGCSE, so I'm only interested in BrE.

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    Default Re: Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    If you would like to answer me, you could. I'm focusing pretty well right now.
    I wish I had better English, but I work hard to improve it. I'm studying for IGCSE, so I'm only interested in BrE.

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    Default Re: Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    Quote Originally Posted by saloom2 View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I want to know if noun clause 'that' must be included in sentences or it's always optional and more formal.


    For example,

    1. It turned out that she had not gone back home and stayed outside.
    2. The ball possession of both teams demonstrates how bad the teams are this match.
    Welcome back. I hope you've had a nice sleep!

    I am a little confused by your question. You have given two example sentences. The first contains the word "that" - it is optional. The second sentence does not contain the word "that". However, I'm interested to know where you think the word "that" should go in sentence 2.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Default Re: Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    Well, You can forget about the second sentence because 'that' cannot be added here. Anyway, my question exactly is about whether that is always optional or sometimes it must be in the sentence, like " it's her contention (that) no one should be in the school right now' 'the figures show (that) the prices have hiked up by almost 50%.' After studying, I understood that 'that' must be in the sentence when there's an abstract noun like 'contention', but any other point s still ambiguous to me because it's not expressed well in the book.
    I wish I had better English, but I work hard to improve it. I'm studying for IGCSE, so I'm only interested in BrE.

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    Default Re: Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    Quote Originally Posted by saloom2 View Post
    Well, You can forget about the second sentence because 'that' cannot be added here. Anyway, my question exactly is about whether that is always optional or sometimes it must be in the sentence, like " it's her contention (that) no one should be in the school right now' 'the figures show (that) the prices have hiked up by almost 50%.' After studying, I understood that 'that' must be in the sentence when there's an abstract noun like 'contention', but any other point s still ambiguous to me because it's not expressed well in the book.
    No, it's not always optional. Put "that" in if its omission leads to the sentence being misinterpreted.
    Abstract nouns can't be the determiner. "It was her habitual happiness he liked".
    Don't omit 'that' if it's followed by what could otherwise be the object of the verb, especially in a long sentence.
    "The figures show the prices of vegetables, fruit and meat for January, 2013, have risen 50%". The reader could reasonably be expecting the figures to show the prices of vegetables, fruit and meat for January, 2013 - until they get to the end, where the meaning changes. In this case, I always use "that" to indicate immediately that "the figures show something about XYZ" rather than "the figures show XYZ".

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    Default Re: Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    Well, thanks first for your response. Second Could it be "The figures show, the prices of vegetables, fruit and meat for January, 2013, have risen 50%" comma could mean here that?
    Third, to sum up, when it is a long sentence, we shouldn't remove it. And that make a pause, doesn't it?. An abstract nouns can't be the determiner (How would I know that?).
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    Default Re: Noun clause "That". It turned out (that) she.

    Quote Originally Posted by saloom2 View Post
    Could it be "The figures show, the prices of vegetables, fruit and meat for January, 2013, have risen 50%" comma could mean here that?
    No.
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