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    Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help?

    I've got most of it done, but "???" is left unfinished:


    Washington, March 6th, 1837
    Gentlemen,
    I have just received your note of the 4th instant, enclosing the prospectus of "The United States Magazine and Democratic Review." I have read the prospectus with much interest, as I have long thought such a work in the great city of the Union was much wanted; and as an evidence of approbation of this work, you will find me one of your subscribers.
    ? I am? genttlemen with
    great respects, yours
    Andrew Jackson
    ???

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHopeR View Post
    I've got most of it done, but "???" is left unfinished:


    Washington, March 6th, 1837
    Gentlemen,
    I have just received your note of the 4th instant, enclosing the prospectus of "The United States Magazine and Democratic Review." I have read the prospectus with much interest, as I have long thought such a work in the great city of the Union was much wanted; and as an evidence of approbation of this work, you will find me one of your subscribers.
    ? I am? genttlemen with (It's "gentlemen", it just looks like a double t because his crossing of the t went over the l.)
    great respects, yours
    Andrew Jackson
    ???
    There is nothing before "I am". Think of it this way -
    (17th Century) I am gentlemen with great respect Andrew Jackson
    (Present) Andrew Jackson

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    There is nothing before "I am". Think of it this way -
    (17th Century) I am gentlemen with great respect Andrew Jackson
    (Present) Andrew Jackson

    But " I am gentlemen with great respect" is logically flawed.
    You may say "I am gentleman (single)...," not gentlemen (plural).

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHopeR View Post
    But " I am gentlemen with great respect" is logically flawed. Yes, it is to modern eyes, without commas.
    You may say "I am gentleman (single)...," not gentlemen (plural).
    No, it means, "I am, Gentlemen, with great respect, yours." = "I am yours with great respect, Gentlemen."
    There's possibly an 'etc' after 'yours'.

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    There's possibly an 'etc' after 'yours'.
    I couldn't get that. Now that you have suggested it, I think it may be in the older form of '& c'

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    I couldn't get that. Now that you have suggested it, I think it may be in the older form of '& c'
    Yes, possibly. There's obviously something after 'yours', and etc. in whatever form is common. So you're probably right.

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    I still have no idea of what the word before Langheed O'Sulivan is.

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    I still have no idea of what the word before Langheed O'Sulivan is.
    Could it be "M.fowd" as in "mail forward", a directive to Mr O'Sullivan?
    Or an indication that this was copied by O'Sullivan from an original by Jackson - mail forwarded by.
    You've got me curious now too!

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    I think it's just the name of the addressees, 'Messrs. S*ang<???> and O'Sullivan.'

    Two things about 'Messrs' may need explanation:

    • it's written using the convention of this sort of script that when s is doubled the second (or maybe the first I'm not sure...) is lengthened. In hasty script there may be a 'shorthand' convention that one long s = double s (a bit like German β = ss)
    • 'Messrs.' was (still is, in old-established business names) the standard abbreviation for Messieurs, the plural of Monsieur - so it just means 'the plural of Mr, but I'm not writing 'Mrs' because you're several men rather than one married woman'


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    PS This is an afterthought. I initially followed Raymott's example.
    Last edited by BobK; 27-Apr-2013 at 17:39. Reason: Added PS

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    Re: Andrew Jackson's note. some handwriting hard to recognise. Would you like to help

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    I think it's just the name of the addressees, 'Messrs. S*ang<???> and O'Sullivan.'
    Germolino! It was published by Langley and O'Sulivan.

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