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    Hello,

    with regard to 'The Joining Comma' and a conjunction (but, and, etc) being
    used to join two complete sentences (I went for a walk, and I picked some flowers), does
    the same principal apply when the pronoun I is omitted in the second sentence? And if so,
    is such a pronoun referred to as 'an invisible pronoun'?

    Thank you,

    Red an' Dead

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    Default Re: commas

    Welcome to the forums.

    I wouldn't use a comma there.

    You can omit the pronoun when the two ideas are closely linked.

    'I enjoy maths but don't like history'.

    Otherwise, use the pronoun.

    'He often goes to Spain and he is good at embroidery.'

    I've never heard of 'an invisible pronoun'.

    Rover

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    Default Re: commas

    Hello Rover,

    yeah, I've come across that solution before, but it slipped my mind. You may notice that
    regards the sentence just written I inserted a comma before but, despite, as you say, both
    ideas being closely linked. I've done this in respect of William Strunk, JR, who advised that
    in such instanced a comma should always precede but (as opposed to and). You may or may not
    agree. Quite a few people have taken issue with the late grammarian. His famous pamphlet, ' The
    Elements of Style', I've read described as, 'The book that ate America's brain'. Having said that, many
    are they who swear by it.



    Cheers

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    Default Re: commas

    Quote Originally Posted by red an' dead View Post
    Hello Rover,

    yeah, I've come across that solution before, but it slipped my mind. You may notice that
    regards the sentence just written I inserted a comma before but, despite, as you say, both
    ideas being closely linked. I've done this in respect of William Strunk, JR, who advised that
    in such instanced a comma should always precede but (as opposed to and). You may or may not
    agree. Quite a few people have taken issue with the late grammarian. His famous pamphlet, ' The
    Elements of Style', I've read described as, 'The book that ate America's brain'. Having said that, many
    are they who swear by it.



    Cheers
    I don't know how old Mr Strunk's works are but I imagine that "... many are they who swear by it" probably sounded perfectly natural when he was alive. These days, it doesn't.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Default Re: commas

    Hello Rover,

    I've already sent a reply, but it seems to have got lost in the ether. I'm trying to get the hang of this format.
    Briefly, I understand what you mean; I had come across the solution before, but it slipped my mind.

    I'll reply properly tomorrow,

    Cheers

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    Default Re: commas

    Many are they who swear by it is all my own. Try not to blame Mr Strunk for
    that one. I misspelled instances, but you probably got that!

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    Default Re: commas

    Quote Originally Posted by red an' dead View Post
    Many are they who swear by it is all my own. Try not to blame Mr Strunk for
    that one. I misspelled instances, but you probably got that!
    I wasn't suggesting that you took the construction from Mr Strunk. I simply meant that it sounds unnatural in modern English.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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