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    Hi, I'm a PhD student in anthropology. I need to figure out how to transcribe a Serbian word phonetically. The word is BCIF - I presume this would be an initialism in English (because the series 'bc' must be spelled out in English), but in Serbian it's an acronym - it's pronounced as a word. Here's my recording of the Serbian pronunciation:
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    Does anyone have an idea how to transcribe this phonetically, using the IPA? Many thanks in advance.
    Last edited by 5jj; 10-Jun-2013 at 19:40. Reason: My mistake - post not edited - 5jj

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenerikku View Post
    Hi, I'm a PhD student in anthropology. I need to figure out how to transcribe a Serbian word phonetically. The word is BCIF - I presume this would be an initialism in English (because the series 'bc' must be spelled out in English), but in Serbian it's an acronym - it's pronounced as a word. Here's my recording of the Serbian pronunciation:
    https://soundcloud.com/user2266590/bcif

    Does anyone have an idea how to transcribe this phonetically, using the IPA? Many thanks in advance.
    I hear /bǝt'si:f/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I hear /bǝt'si:f/
    I heard /bǝt'si:f/ - practically the same as Raymott, though with only a slight schwa. Note that that is my approximation of a phonemic transcription, not a phonetic one.
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    Thank you both very much. If there is a schwa, I'd say it's very slight - actually, I always experienced the pronunciation like there was no vowel whatsoever, which I found quite striking (I'm not a Serbian native speaker). So I'll probably opt for 5jj's version as a compromise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenerikku View Post
    Thank you both very much. If there is a schwa, I'd say it's very slight - actually, I always experienced the pronunciation like there was no vowel whatsoever, which I found quite striking (I'm not a Serbian native speaker). So I'll probably opt for 5jj's version as a compromise...
    Don't worry about my schwa. I usually put one in these circumstances. There's probably regional differences and language preferences for using schwas in place like this. I'd go with 5jj's or no schwa at all, if that is consistent with your practice for this language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenerikku View Post
    If there is a schwa, I'd say it's very slight - actually, I always experienced the pronunciation like there was no vowel whatsoever, which I found quite striking (I'm not a Serbian native speaker). So I'll probably opt for 5jj's version as a compromise...
    Once upon a time I could have told you with certainty whether a narrow phonetic transcription of the word would have included a schwa, albeit a superscript one, after the /b/. Now I can't, but distant memories tell me that it wouldn't. I am guessing that Serbians would not consider there to be a vowel, however reduced, between the two consonants, just as Czechs and Slovaks don't hear a vowel in some of their consonant clusters when I feel that I hear a slight schwa.

    This is why I noted that my transcription was not a phonetic one. Neither my current knowledge nor my ears are sound enough these days for me to be able to give accurate narrow phonetic transcriptions.

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    Slightly off-topic, but I wonder how many syllables Serbian consider that word to have. The transcriptions that Ray and I gave suggest two syllables, but (guessing again), Serbians might well think of it as a monosyllable.

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