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    Exclamation "No measurable talent"

    When someone says "He possesses no measurable talent"

    Does it mean that he has no talent at all, he is talentless

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    Does it mean that he has more talents than you can count.
    Last edited by kiezel52; 26-Jun-2013 at 00:45.

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

    Sounds like a put-down to me. It must mean that his talents are very limited ...

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

    I nearly deleted no. 3, which doesn't contribute to the discussion. By giving an example of a different meaning of 'Talent' it might be thought, if anything, to confuse. But on second thoughts I left it, as an example of that other usage. But people interested in the phrase 'no measurable talent' can safely ignore the last post.

    kiezel52: it's hard to measure talent. The person described as having 'no measurable talent' might have some talent, but not enough to make an impression on whatever system is being used to measure it. As an example, think of something that is more easily measured - say, rainfall. Rainfall is typically measured in millimetres. If it rains quite hard for an hour, there might be 10mm of rainfall. But if there's a tiny sprinkle of drizzle for a few seconds there would be 'no measurable rainfall' - the container at the weather station would perhaps get slightly damp but that's all. So, as larsboen said ( both of you), this could sound like a put-down (good word, by the way ).

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

    Quote Originally Posted by kiezel52 View Post
    When someone says "He possesses no measurable talent"

    Does it mean that he has no talent at all, he is talentless

    or

    Does it mean that he has more talents than you can count.
    In this case, I think it's perspective. A "glass half full" kind of moment. Both could very well be true.

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Saephanh View Post
    In this case, I think it's perspective. A "glass half full" kind of moment. Both could very well be true.
    I don't see how the positive interpretation works. It's no talent or so little that it cannot be measured for me.

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

    I see what Nicholas means, but in the positive case the normal thing to say would be something like 'his/her talent is limitless/knows no bounds/is off the scale/is immeasurable...'

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

    It would work with immeasurable, but not with no measurable IMO.

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

    I agree. Its similar to 'valueless' (negative) and 'invaluable' (positive).
    To me, "no measurable talent" means "no talent". I could be swayed if anyone came up with a legitimate native use of "no measureable talent" meaning "a lot of measurable talent". But even then, I'd agree that it's used that way, not that it makes any sense.

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    Default Re: "No measurable talent"

    Of course! You guys are correct. I guess I should have pondered a bit more on the matter. Another reason I chose to participate in this forum was to help train my mind to think about things in a more in depth manner. I have a problem with writing and speaking impulsively. Discipline, knowledge, and clarity are what I seek on my journey!

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