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    Hello,

    I have two questions, and I'd appreciate your help.

    1) I'm in doubt of which option is correct (open or opened) : I remember closing the window before leaving home, how come it's open / opened?

    2) If "open" folows the rule consonant, vowel, consonant, why doesn't it double the last consonant?

    Thank you.
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    Default Re: open vs opened

    1) Open is correct.

    2) We don't double the final consonant in words that end with n.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    2) We don't double the final consonant in words that end with n.
    I don't think that's the reason that 'opened' doesn't double the n. In "pen, penned" the n is doubled - that's just one counterexample to disprove your reason. What we need to explain the original rule is a proper expression of it. I'm not even sure what it is meant to apply to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunaBC View Post
    Hello,

    I have two questions, and I'd appreciate your help.

    1) I'm in doubt of which option is correct (open or opened) : I remember closing the window before leaving home, how come it's open / opened?

    2) If "open" folows the rule consonant, vowel, consonant, why doesn't it double the last consonant?

    Thank you.
    There are many exceptions to the doubling the final consonant rules. And they are different in BrE and AmE. In this case, the rule is that we don't normally double the final consonant in words of multiple syllables unless the stress is on the last syllable.

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    I thought hard but did not come up with penned. But now that you mention it, there are also stemming and stemmed. I still think these are exceptions to the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    I thought hard but did not come up with penned. But now that you mention it, there are also stemming and stemmed. I still think these are exceptions to the rule.
    Yes, but what is the rule? Isn't that relevant if we are to discuss exceptions to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    There are many exceptions to the doubling the final consonant rules. And they are different in BrE and AmE. In this case, the rule is that we don't normally double the final consonant in words of multiple syllables unless the stress is on the last syllable.
    Who is "we"? "travel -> travelled". Did you mean "we Americans"?
    Given that no one has stated the rule yet, I'll go out on a limb and say that we do normally double the final letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunaBC View Post
    Hello,

    I have two questions, and I'd appreciate your help.

    1) I'm in doubt of which option is correct (open or opened) : I remember closing the window before leaving home, how come it's open / opened?

    2) If "open" folows the rule consonant, vowel, consonant, why doesn't it double the last consonant?

    Thank you.
    1) "I remember closing the window before leaving home. How come it's open?"

    2) I'm not sure what you mean by the rule "consonant, vowel, consonant". If you followed that "rule" (which I don't understand) then the logical letter after the "n" would be a vowel, making "opened" perfectly logical. However, as I don't know what "rule" you're talking about, it's hard to explain.

    With regard to probus' statement "We don't double the final consonant in words that end in n", well, sometimes we do. "Pinned", "penned", "binned", "tinned", "canned" but "opened", "fastened", "hardened". Unless I'm very much mistaken, we double the consonant in one-syllable examples, but we don't with two.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Unless I'm very much mistaken, we double the consonant in one-syllable examples, but we don't with two.
    You don't double the 'l' in travelled, ems?

    unravelled, beginning, referred, billetted, submitted
    Rule#4 below might help:
    http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/spelling.htm
    http://a4esl.org/q/h/9807/km-doubles.html

    (I'm assuming we are discussing a possible rule for forming the participles of a verb ending in a consonant. Other rules might apply to nouns and to other suffixes.)
    Last edited by Raymott; 29-Jun-2013 at 11:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Who is "we"? "travel -> travelled". Did you mean "we Americans"?
    Given that no one has stated the rule yet, I'll go out on a limb and say that we do normally double the final letter.
    Yes, in AmE, it is traveled.

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