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    Re: How would you diagram "Shop Ebay for the best deals"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sawsawxx View Post
    I wouldn't say this is a nonstandard use of the verb "shop". I come across it frequently in Standard English, and it's found in several online dictionaries, including M-W, AHD and Dictionary.com, none of which mark it as nonstandard.
    It's in the online Compact Oxford, too.

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    Re: How would you diagram "Shop Ebay for the best deals"?

    Sorry, but I have to agree with Philo. Whatever those dictionaries may say, I don't think most speakers would really consider it good usage...

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    Re: How would you diagram "Shop Ebay for the best deals"?

    Dictionaries do the best that they can. But language is a wild animal.

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    Re: How would you diagram "Shop Ebay for the best deals"?

    Quote Originally Posted by panglossa View Post
    Sorry, but I have to agree with Philo. Whatever those dictionaries may say, I don't think most speakers would really consider it good usage...
    Well, what is 'good usage'? English is constantly evolving; what is completely unacceptable to one generation is fine for the next. In my own personal speech and writing, I tend to be rather formal and, to some people, old-fashioned. I don't, for example, like "Shop Ebay". However, whether I like it or not, it is being used today, and who am I to say it is wrong? The fact that it is now noted in dictionaries suggests that it is becoming widely used,

    As for analysis of non-standard usage, my own feeling is that if native speakerss say something that is understood by others, then it is worthy of analysis. That some self-appointed experts decree that it is 'not standard' is not very important, though, if there appears to be general agreement that something is non-standard, then this needs to be pointed out to learners. As I have said in other threads, I agree wholeheartedly with Frank: "Nonstandard usage often offends some ears, but it still carries meaning"!

    I am not, as Frank knows, a fan of Reed-Kellogg. In fact, I rarely agree with Frank's views on language. But, and this is an important 'but', my opinions, like Frank's and philo's, are just that - opinions. If someone says, "The issue for me is, essentially, that by consenting to diagram/analyse nonstandard sentences without emendation, we are tacitly expressing our acceptance of them, and thereby ultimately doing our visitors here something of a disservice", I simply wonder how we can be doing a disservice to learners by accepting that some native speakers say/write thing that we, personally, would not.


    ps. The 'EOT' that ends post #8 is not exactly standard usage. I am not sure which of these it is meant to represent.

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    Re: How would you diagram "Shop Ebay for the best deals"?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    ps. The 'EOT' that ends post #8 is not exactly standard usage. I am not sure which of these it is meant to represent.
    Judging by Philo's standards, 'End of Training' I'm sure!

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    Re: How would you diagram "Shop Ebay for the best deals"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Antonson View Post
    I have no problem with the grammar. But I would use Reed-Kellogg. "Shop" is simply used as a transitive verb, of course in the imperative mode. Sorry but the following comes to mind, "Debbie, do Dallas" Apologies.
    I agree with you. Major dictionaries, such as Merriam-Webster and American Heritage list a transitive use of "shop". To call this use nonstandard is overly pedantic.

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