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    Hi,

    I need assistance with the sentence below.

    It will have been seen that my own main trouble was an utter lack of any sense of proportion or probability.

    Could anyone let me know which tense has been used in the sentence above? Is this the regular Future Perfect that has been used to refer to the past?

    Your advice is more than welcome.

    Thank you.

    Best,

    I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vatroslav View Post
    Hi,

    I need assistance with the sentence below.

    It will have been seen that my own main trouble was an utter lack of any sense of proportion or probability.

    Could anyone let me know which tense has been used in the sentence above? Is this the regular Future Perfect that has been used to refer to the past?

    Your advice is more than welcome.

    Thank you.

    Best,

    I.
    It's not a natural sentence. Where did you find it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vatroslav View Post
    Hi,

    I need assistance with the sentence below.

    It will have been seen that my own main trouble was an utter lack of any sense of proportion or probability.
    Yes, it's the passive voice of the future perfect tense, and as bhaisahab has implied, the sentence sucks needs improvement. What is it supposed to mean? I'd suggest making it active, and say who will have seen this.

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    I found it in a book by George Orwell (Books vs. Cigarettes). :) I found the sentence in question towards the end of the book - I thought it was rather unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vatroslav View Post
    I found it in a book by George Orwell (Books vs. Cigarettes). :) I found the sentence in question towards the end of the book - I thought it was rather unusual.
    If Orwell wrote it, then no doubt it occurs within a context which justifies the unusual construction. It must also be considered that it's literary, and hence allowed some licence, and that's it's 50-odd years old.
    "It will have been noticed by my more critical readers that my grammatical structures tend towards the unusual." This sentence is OK in its place.

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    Thanks for letting me know.

    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes, it's the passive voice of the future perfect tense, and as bhaisahab has implied, the sentence sucks needs improvement. What is it supposed to mean? I'd suggest making it active, and say who will have seen this.
    Sorry for jumping in, and please regard it as out of sheer curiosity.
    Is it the future perfect indeed, not a perfect modal, albeit rather clumsy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esgaleth View Post
    Is it the future perfect indeed, not a perfect modal, albeit rather clumsy?
    Will is here a modal suggesting present certainty (about the past, as it is followed by a perfect infinitive). Although many people refer to all constructions formed in this way as 'future perfect', this 'present-certainty' type has nothing to do with the future.

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