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    "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    Would you be so kind to tell me whether I've heard the boy in this video (YouTube) correctly?

    It seems to me that in some words he pronounces /θ/ as /f/ and // as /v/, for example:

    3:51 I worked in anoth(/v/)er cool centre...
    4:27 ...'cos I th
    (/f/)ought it would be... 6:22 The cool th(/f/)ing...

    Is it so, and can his accent be identified?

    Thanks.

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    Re: "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    You heard correctly. he is from South-East England.

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    Re: "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    I do my best to be non-judgmental when it comes to accents, but I have to admit that this and similar accents make me cringe. The skin colour, gender, education, job, appearance, physical/mental (dis)abilities, etc of my daughter's partners do not bother me at all. If she came home with a partner who spoke like that, I'd disinherit her.



    ps. I having been a teacher most of my life, and a TEFLer for a good part of it, she wouldn't lose much.

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    Re: "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    He sounds Mockney to me- the /f/s and /v/s are grafted onto suspiciously long vowels.

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    Re: "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    I have problems with []. When I hear it, it sounds like [d] to me.
    When I try to pronounce it, I put the tongue between the teeth and blow, but it sounds like [v] and I think I am saying [z̪] (Voiced dental sibilant fricative).

    Will I be understood without problems if I talk in English and replace [] with [v], [d] or [z̪]?

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    Re: "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zote View Post

    Will I be understood without problems if I talk in English and replace [] with [v], [d] or [z̪]?
    You'll probably be understood, but you will sound strange.

    Try: "Put the front of your tongue against the back of your front teeth. Let the air pass through as you breathe out. [...] Hold the sound, and add your voice."

    Kelly, Gerald (2000), How to Teach pronunciation,Harlow: Longman Pearson.

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    Re: "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    Or, try /f/ and /v/, and then try to make the same sounds with your tongue touching your upper incisors, instead of your lip.

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    Re: "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    I do my best to be non-judgmental when it comes to accents, but I have to admit that this and similar accents make me cringe. The skin colour, gender, education, job, appearance, physical/mental (dis)abilities, etc of my daughter's partners do not bother me at all. If she came home with a partner who spoke like that, I'd disinherit her.

    After watching Alfie, I'd have to say I agree.

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    Re: "th" as "f" or "v" (video)

    One of my schoolmates, an intelligent girl from a well-off family, could not for the life of her say the "th" in the middle of words. Interestingly, she had no problem with it at the beginning of short words so "the", "this" and "that" were OK. However:

    brother = bruvver
    mother = muvver
    other = uvver
    another = anuvver
    thunder = funder

    I used to try to help her in the school playground, getting her to say the single syllable "bru" and then, after a short pause, say "the king". As long as there was a gap, she was fine. She could say "bru ... the king". However, when I got her to do it faster and faster, she lost the ability. As soon as "bru" ran directly into "the king", she would say "bruvverking". It infuriated me!
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