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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterValk View Post
    Why not? Pray tell!
    Perhaps because Liz would have felt a bit silly saying "Our husband and we ..."
    Last edited by emsr2d2; 15-Dec-2013 at 22:15. Reason: typo

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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    Maybe I'm a bit out of touch with the ways of the modern British monarchy.
    Which is not surprising because I'm not British and have never been.
    But I do seem to recall reading somewhere that the Queen used to refer to herself that way. (the "majestic plural" as it is called)
    But no more?
    Peter
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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    Queen Victoria (d. 1901) was the last to use the 'royal we'.

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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    I believe that it is still used today in such things as royal charters, but Liz doesn't use it of herself otherwise.
    Last edited by 5jj; 16-Dec-2013 at 07:27. Reason: typo

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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    Quote Originally Posted by vrghost View Post
    Was really hoping to get some help here.

    In some book, may have been linguistics, may have been a book with just random facts, I remember reading that the U.K. parliament passed a law to simplify the English Language a long time ago. One of the ways to simplify the language was by removing female and neutral definite article, making all nouns masculine. However, the parliament did realise a serious issue ,while boat, woman and anything else can be masculine, the queen can not be, so they made a specific exception that the queen is female. Making this the only female noun in the English language, it makes no difference to he english language or how it is spoken, but it is legally recognised that it is female.

    Please note, my memory is not the best at the best of time, and grammar has always been one of my achilles heals.
    What I am trying to do is find if there is any truth to this story, or if this is just a case of me not being careful when selecting my sources.
    Logically, if they were going to this trouble, they'd probably include princess. Fortunately, it's not the case.

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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    Quote Originally Posted by vrghost View Post
    and grammar has always been one of my achilles heals.
    Achilles' Heel - and most people only have one.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    Queen Victoria is dead?
    Now I know I'm really out of touch with the world...
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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    ...and I don't think Her Majesty would refer to herself as the Queen of England. She is the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
    We Scots are a bit touchy about the whole of UK being referred to as "England".
    In the same vein: long, long ago, when I was a small boy, all schoolchildren were given medallions to commemorate Queen Elizabeth's coronation in 1953. I remember us all scratching out part of the "Queen Elizabeth II" on the medallion, so that it read "Queen Elizabeth I" to mark the fact that she is the actually the first Queen Elizabeth of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The original English Queen Elizabeth I was queen of England (including Wales) and Ireland only - not of Scotland. We had our own king: James VI of Scotland. When Elizabeth I died in 1603, our King James VI also became James I of England and Ireland. It was known as the Union of the Crowns, followed more than 100 years later in 1707 by the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. When the present queen succeeded to the throne, it was decided to change the rules on numbering, to accommodate her being officially known as Queen Elizabeth II - much to the disgust of many Scots...

    Mind you, I'd still be voting to stay united come September - if I had a vote...
    I'm not a teacher of English, but I have spoken it for (almost) all of my life....

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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    She has moved into the 21st century.

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    Default Re: All nouns masculine but the queen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    She has moved into the 21st century.
    Ia that why she considers herself, by divine right, head of state of the UK and assorted ex-colonies? Roll on the 22nd century!

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