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    Default The different phoneme sounds of the vowel '' o ''. (Part I)

    Dear teachers and members:


    I am a spanish native speaker and I have been taught that the vowel O has no /o/ phoneme sound in English as opposite in spanish, meaning that it does not exist (the /o/ sound) in the English vowel '' o ''. Here are the different phonemes for the vowel ''o'' in English.

    1) The /ɒ/ sound or short '' o '' sound.

    a) Consonant / ˈkɒnsənənt/ The vowel '' o '' is a primary stress

    b) Conversation / ˌkɒnvəˈseɪʃən/ The vowel '' o '' is a secondary stress and the vowels '' io '', becomes Schwa /ə/.

    c) Cop / kɒp/ (?)

    NOTE:

    *
    I have noticed that this sound is stressed whether it be a primary or a secondary stress.

    *
    In the CVC pattern, is this sound stressed, if not, how it is called?

    2) The /ʌ/ sound or short '' u '' sound.

    a) Nothing / ˈnʌθɪŋ/

    b) Mother / ˈmʌər/

    c) Comfort / ˈkʌmfərt/ The second vowel '' o '' is a Schwa sound.

    3) The /ɔː/ sound or '' aw '' sound.

    a) bought / kɔːt /

    b) Thought / θɔːt /

    NOTE:

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    In this case, ''thought and brought'' are composed by the diphthong ''ou'', so it means that is not only the vowel ''o'' who makes this /ɔː/ sound in these words.

    *
    /ː/ In british English (BrE) this two dots means that the sound is long.

    * In american English (AmE), this /ɔ/ sound occurs in some words with the vowel ''o'' which are pronounced /ɒ/ in british English (BrE),

    a) Long (AmE) / lɔŋ/ (BrE) / lɒŋ/

    b) Wrong (AmE) / rɔŋ/(BrE) / rɒŋ/

    c) Dog (AmE) / dɔɡ/ (BrE) / dɒɡ/

    4) The /ə/ sound or Schwa sound; in this case, the unstressed and reduced vowel '' 0 ''.

    a) Occur / əˈkɜrː /

    b) support / səˈpɔːt /

    c) Of / əv / as a reduced vowel '' 0 ''.

    5) The /əʊ/ or long vowel '' 0 '' sound.

    a) Piano / pɪˈnəʊ/

    b) Stroll / strəʊl/

    c) Cope / kəʊp/

    NOTE:

    * I have observed that in american English (AmE), this phoneme - a dipththong -, has a different phonetic spelling //. In british English (BrE) this sound begins with a Schwa sound /ə/ and it is followed by a short '' oo '' /ʊ/ sound, so it means the vowel '' o '' it is an unstressed sound, may a Schwa sound be in a diphthong?


    It will be continued in part II
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    Default Re: The different phoneme sounds of the vowel '' o ''. (Part I)

    As someone who has an interest in the sounds of English, I would like to help you, The apprentice. Unfortunately, I got lost before I was halfway through your post.

    Please try to identify specific problems you have, and ask about them one at a time. You can always ask follow-up questions.
    Please do not edit your question after it has received a response. Such editing can make the response hard for others to understand.


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    Default Re: The different phoneme sounds of the vowel '' o ''. (Part I)

    And don't forget to capitalise Spanish in the same way that you correctly capitalised ​English.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

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    Default Re: The different phoneme sounds of the vowel '' o ''. (Part I)

    5jj.

    When you are referring to follow-up questions. You are telling me to post question(s) about a same topic in a different thread; for example:

    I) I want to know if the short '' o '' sound /ɒ/ is a stressed sound

    a) Consonant / ˈkɒnsənənt/

    b) Conversation / ˌkɒnvəˈseɪʃən/

    c) Cop / kɒp/ (?)

    QUESTIONS:

    1) In (a) the /ɒ/ sound has a primary stress.

    2) In (b) The /ɒ/ sound has a secondary stress.

    3) In (c) CVC pattern, I find that monosyllable words are always stressed in all vowels, but you tol me in other thread posted before, that they are not stressed.

    4) I have noticed that multisyllabic words having this sound /ɒ/ are always stressed whether it be a primary or a secondary stress.
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    Do you mean something like this 5jj?
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    Default Re: The different phoneme sounds of the vowel '' o ''. (Part I)

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    5jj.

    When you are referring to follow-up questions. You are telling me to post question(s) about a same topic in a different thread, isn't it?
    No.

    I am asking you to post one question a a time. In your original post, you have asked about:

    1) The /ɒ/ sound or short '' o '' sound.

    2) The /ʌ/ sound or short '' u '' sound.

    3) The /ɔː/sound or '' aw '' sound.

    4) The /ə/ sound or Schwa sound; in this case, the unstressed and reduced vowel '' 0 ''.

    5) The /əʊ/ or long vowel '' 0 '' sound.

    If you take these one at a time, we may be able to help you.
    Please do not edit your question after it has received a response. Such editing can make the response hard for others to understand.


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    Default Re: The different phoneme sounds of the vowel '' o ''. (Part I)

    Quote Originally Posted by The apprentice View Post
    Dear teachers and members:


    I am a spanish native speaker and I have been taught that the vowel O has no /o/ phoneme sound in English as opposite in spanish, meaning that it does not exist in the English vowel '' o '' sound. Here are the different phonemes for the vowel ''o'' in English.

    1) The /ɒ/ sound or short '' o '' sound.

    a) Consonant / ˈkɒnsənənt/ The vowel '' o '' is a primary stress

    b) Conversation / ˌkɒnvəˈseɪʃən/ The vowel '' o '' is a secondary stress and the vowels '' io '', becomes Schwa /ə/.

    c) Cop / kɒp/ (?)

    NOTE:

    *
    I have noticedthat this sound is stressed whether it be a primary or a secondary stress.

    *
    In the CVC pattern, is this sound stressed, if not, how it is called?

    2) The /ʌ/ sound or short '' u '' sound.

    a) Nothing / ˈnʌθɪŋ/

    b) Mother / ˈmʌər/

    c) Comfort / ˈkʌmfərt/ The second vowel '' o '' is a Schwa sound.

    3) The /ɔː/sound or '' aw '' sound.

    a) Caught / kɔːt /

    b) Law / lɔː/

    c) Thought / θɔːt /

    NOTE:

    *
    /ː/ In british English (BrE) this two dots means that the sound is long.

    * In american English (AmE) this sound /ɔ/ is used for some words that they are pronounced /ɒ/ in british English (BrE),

    a) Long (AmE) / lɔŋ/ (BrE) / lɒŋ/

    b) Wrong (AmE) / rɔŋ/(BrE) / rɒŋ/

    c) Dog (AmE) / dɔɡ/ (BrE) / dɒɡ/

    4) The /ə/ sound or Schwa sound; in this case, the unstressed and reduced vowel '' 0 ''.

    a) Occur / əˈkɜrː /

    b) support / səˈpɔːt /

    c) Of / əv / as reduced vowel '' 0 '' sound.

    5) The /əʊ/ or long vowel '' 0 '' sound.

    a) Piano / pɪˈnəʊ/

    b) Stroll / strəʊl/

    c) Cope / kəʊp/

    NOTE:

    * I have observed that in american English (AmE), this phoneme - a dipththong -, has a different phonetic spelling //. In british English (BrE) this sound begins with a Schwa sound /ə/and it is followed by a short '' oo '' /ʊ/ sound, so it means it is an unstressed sound, may a Schwa sound be in a diphthong?


    It will be continued in part II
    I think many of the observations you shared with the forum are right. Now you should try and ask your question.
    If I were a native speaker of English, I would never shut up.)

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    Default Re: The different phoneme sounds of the vowel '' o ''. (Part I)

    Quote Originally Posted by The apprentice View Post
    Dear teachers and members:


    <...> may a Schwa sound be in a diphthong?


    It will be continued in part II
    I have found the above question in your post. The sound / ə / can be a second element in a diphthong, it's usually very weak in this position.
    If I were a native speaker of English, I would never shut up.)

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