This drawing of a Greenland landscape

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Which alternative is correct?

This drawing of a Greenland landscape is so lifelike ........... it makes you feel like you're in the water.

a. that
b. which
 

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Which do you think is correct?
 

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I think "that" fits better. Mind you, I can leave out "which" completely. As a matter of fact, I don't know the nuanced difference between "that" and "which" in this sense.
 

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The 'that' in your sentence is not a relative pronoun, so 'which' is not an alternative.
 

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Thanks 5jj as always. Would you please tell me what's the name (usage) of this "that" here? And can you give me another example?
 

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[FONT=&quot]conjunction (subordinating)[/FONT]

  1. [FONT=&quot]used to introduce a noun clause [/FONT][FONT=&quot]⇒[/FONT][FONT=&quot] I believe that you'll come[/FONT]

  1. [FONT=&quot]Also: so that, in order that. used to introduce a clause of purpose [/FONT][FONT=&quot]⇒[/FONT][FONT=&quot] they fought that others might have peace[/FONT]

  1. [FONT=&quot]used to introduce a clause of result [/FONT][FONT=&quot]⇒[/FONT][FONT=&quot] he laughed so hard that he cried[/FONT]

  1. [FONT=&quot]used to introduce a clause after an understood sentence expressing desire, indignation, or amazement [/FONT][FONT=&quot]⇒[/FONT][FONT=&quot] oh, that I had never lived![/FONT]
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Well-done.
I have previously made up a question about "so that". As far as I know, "that" can be left out in an informal style in some common two-word conjunctions, such as "so that, such ... that, now that, providing that, considering that".
Eg: come in quietly so (that) she doesn't hear you.

However, In my previous thread and your second definition, "so" has been left out. Why is that?
 

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They fought that others might have peace

This is rather formal and/or old-fashioned. It would be more normal as They fought so that others might have peace
 
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What about this "that"? Is it "so that" usage? If so, why we left out "so" instead of "that"?

Without exception, a child of most Southwest Indian tribes was treated with warmth and permissiveness during the period of infancy. Weaning was gradual, and training in cleanliness was delayed until a child could work. Care was taken so that the child was not unduly agitated, and that he or she was protected from harm.
 

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Care was taken so that the child was not unduly agitated, and (so) that he or she was protected from harm.
The second 'so' is understood.
 

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Elliptical usage?
 

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What about this one. Is it unnatural or ungrammatical?

1. This drawing of a Greenland landscape is so lifelike as it makes you feel like you're in the water.

 

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No. "It is so lifelike that it makes ..." or "It is so lifelike, ​it makes ...".
 
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