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    Default Re: At-Has etc. reduced forms!

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    I think you mean that [e] (Cardinal Vowel 3) does not occur naturally in English.
    Yes, sorry, I mean that the phonetic [e] doesn't exist in English. I'll fix it. The phonemic /e/ does, of course, and is usually pronounced as [ɛ].
    I'm claiming that neither [e] nor [ɛ] are used for // in English, to the extent that the OP thinks is common, unless she has been listening almost exclusively to NZE.
    In Australian English, the vowel is closer to [e]
    Maybe. I'm not convinced that I say [e] for /e/ (or something closer to [e] than [ɛ]) at all! The vowel in 'bed' is [ɛ]. And speakers of Spanish and Italian who have heard my attempts at their language do not accept my normal Australian /e/ for their [e], which they should if I say [e] - but perhaps not necessarily if it's only "something closer to [e] than [ɛ] ".
    But I take it that we agree on [].
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    Default Re: At-Has etc. reduced forms!

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    But I take it that we agree on [].
    I agree with everything you have written - except for the typo.
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    Default Re: At-Has etc. reduced forms!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Well, since no native speaker has confessed to saying [e] or [ɛ] for // here, and since a few of us are denying it happens with any frequency, I guess it might be your idiosyncratic interpretation. But that's possible, since [e] doesn't occur naturally in English - it's usually [ɛ]. So we natives might not interpret what you hear as an [e].
    The following indicates that NZE uses [ɛ] for //, but [e] doesn't occur (except apparently by us Aussies, for /e/ as 5jj points out below):
    International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If it's as prevalent as you think, maybe you could post a soundfile or YouTube video in which you consider that this [ɛ], ie. the sound in 'ten' occurs?

    Editings in blue, following 5jj's post below.
    Hi there raymott!
    i think it actually might be my interpretation, but it might also be a slight variation from the vowel sound we have in cat, meaning, not as long as cat, but not as short as "ten" either. Im going to try and do some careful listening exercises on that. Oh geez. Thats what happens when u dont have a boyfriend! Lol thanks

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