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    false and fake

    Dear teachers,

    As far as I know, we use "fake" to mean we copy something like flowers, toys etc. And we use false to mean "statement, story " etc which are not the fact. But I found the expression "false banknotes" and "fake passport" . I don't know why. It seems only "false passport' is possible.

    Looking forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang

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    Re: false and fake

    In some cases, we can use both- false/fake money. A lot of it is to do with collocation. here are the examples from the BNC database:

    1 FALSE PRETENCES 86 0.86
    2 FALSE TEETH 73 0.73
    3 FALSE STARTS 63 0.63
    4 FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS 60 0.60
    5 FALSE START 57 0.57
    6 FALSE SENSE 55 0.55
    7 FALSE IMPRESSION 53 0.53
    8 FALSE ALARMS 52 0.52
    9 FALSE NAME 47 0.47
    10 FALSE ALARM 41 0.41
    11 FALSE ACCOUNTING 37 0.37
    12 FALSE ECONOMY 37 0.37
    13 FALSE IMPRISONMENT 37 0.37
    14 FALSE BELIEF 35 0.35
    15 FALSE STATEMENT 35 0.35
    16 FALSE INFORMATION 32 0.32
    17 FALSE TRADE 29 0.29
    18 FALSE STATEMENTS 24 0.24
    19 FALSE ASSUMPTIONS 22 0.22
    20 FALSE ASSUMPTION 22 0.22
    21 FALSE POSITIVES 22 0.22
    22 FALSE CLAIMS 21 0.21
    23 FALSE HOPES 21 0.21
    24 FALSE MODESTY 19 0.19
    25 FALSE MOVE 19 0.19
    26 FALSE DAWN 18 0.18
    27 FALSE PICTURE 18 0.18
    28 FALSE REPORT 18 0.18
    29 FALSE EYELASHES 17 0.17
    30 FALSE EVIDENCE 16 0.16
    31 FALSE PREMISE 16 0.16
    32 FALSE PROMISES 16 0.16
    33 FALSE NAMES 15 0.15
    34 FALSE BELIEFS 14 0.14
    35 FALSE REPRESENTATION 14 0.14
    36 FALSE MARKET 13 0.13
    37 FALSE GODS 12 0.12
    38 FALSE NEGATIVES 12 0.12
    39 FALSE SECURITY 12 0.12
    40 FALSE SMILE 12 0.12
    41 FALSE EXPECTATIONS 11 0.11
    42 FALSE HOPE 11 0.11
    43 FALSE IDEA 11 0.11
    44 FALSE NOTE 11 0.11
    45 FALSE REPRESENTATIONS 11 0.11
    46 FALSE DESCRIPTION 10 0.10
    47 FALSE DOCUMENTS 10 0.10
    48 FALSE EYES 10 0.10
    49 FALSE MOUSTACHE 10 0.10
    50 FALSE POSITION 10 0.10
    51 FALSE STEP 10 0.10
    52 FALSE CASES 9 0.09
    53 FALSE BEARD 9 0.09
    54 FALSE COLOUR 9 0.09
    55 FALSE LEG 9 0.09
    56 FALSE ONES 9 0.09
    57 FALSE PROPHETS 9 0.09
    58 FALSE REPORTS 9 0.09
    59 FALSE RUMOURS 9 0.09
    60 FALSE ACCUSATIONS 8 0.08
    61 FALSE CHARGES 8 0.08
    62 FALSE CROSS 8 0.08
    63 FALSE GOD 8 0.08
    64 FALSE IDENTITY 8 0.08
    65 FALSE KILLER 8 0.08
    66 FALSE OPTIMISM 8 0.08
    67 FALSE PASSPORT 8 0.08
    68 FALSE ADVERTISING 7 0.07
    69 FALSE IDEAS 7 0.07
    70 FALSE STORY 7 0.07
    71 FALSE TESTIMONY 7 0.07
    72 FALSE TRAILS 7 0.07
    73 FALSE ACCUSATION 6 0.06
    74 FALSE ALLEGATIONS 6 0.06
    75 FALSE CONCLUSION 6 0.06
    76 FALSE CONFESSIONS 6 0.06
    77 FALSE MESSIAH 6 0.06
    78 FALSE PROMISE 6 0.06
    79 FALSE SIGNALS 6 0.06
    80 FALSE BOTTOM 5 0.05
    81 FALSE CONFESSION 5 0.05
    82 FALSE ECHOES 5 0.05
    83 FALSE EYE 5 0.05
    84 FALSE HAIR 5 0.05
    85 FALSE IMAGE 5 0.05
    86 FALSE INDICATION 5 0.05
    87 FALSE NOTIONS 5 0.05
    88 FALSE PRETENCE 5 0.05
    89 FALSE PRIDE 5 0.05
    90 FALSE READINGS 5 0.05
    91 FALSE SELF 5 0.05
    92 FALSE SENSATION 5 0.05
    93 FALSE THEORY 5 0.05
    94 FALSE TRAIL 5 0.05
    95 FALSE ALLEGATION 4 0.04
    96 FALSE CEILING 4 0.04
    97 FALSE CLAIM 4 0.04
    98 FALSE COLOURS 4 0.04
    99 FALSE COMFORT 4 0.04
    100 FALSE DATA

    FAKE FUR 17 0.17
    2 FAKE TAN 15 0.15
    3 FAKE GOODS 6 0.06
    4 FAKE BOMBS 5 0.05
    5 FAKE FLOWERS 4 0.04
    6 FAKE DESIGNER 4 0.04
    7 FAKE PEARLS 4 0.04
    8 FAKE GAS 3 0.03
    9 FAKE £20 3 0.03
    10 FAKE BOMB 3 0.03
    11 FAKE GUN 3 0.03
    12 FAKE PERSONALITIES 3 0.03
    13 FAKE SNOW 3 0.03
    14 FAKE TANS 3 0.03
    15 FAKE ATTACK 2 0.02
    16 FAKE BEARD 2 0.02
    17 FAKE BODIES 2 0.02
    18 FAKE CHAMPAGNE 2 0.02
    19 FAKE COCKNEY 2 0.02
    20 FAKE COWL 2 0.02
    21 FAKE GONDOLA 2 0.02
    22 FAKE FURS 2 0.02
    23 FAKE GIACOMETTI 2 0.02
    24 FAKE GRAVITY 2 0.02
    25 FAKE HAND 2 0.02
    26 FAKE LEATHER 2 0.02
    27 FAKE LETTER 2 0.02
    28 FAKE LETTERS 2 0.02
    29 FAKE OAK 2 0.02
    30 FAKE OCELOT 2 0.02
    31 FAKE ONES 2 0.02
    32 FAKE ORGASM 2 0.02
    33 FAKE PERMITS 2 0.02
    34 FAKE ROBBERY 2 0.02
    35 FAKE ROLEX 2 0.02
    36 FAKE STAMPS 2 0.02
    37 FAKE GORILLAS 1 0.01
    38 FAKE FURNITURE 1 0.01
    39 FAKE GOLD 1 0.01
    40 FAKE GIRLISHNESS 1 0.01
    41 FAKE GIRL 1 0.01
    42 FAKE GIACOMETTIS 1 0.01
    43 FAKE DEMANDS 1 0.01
    44 FAKE DEFECTOR 1 0.01
    45 FAKE DEBATE 1 0.01
    46 FAKE DEALER 1 0.01
    47 FAKE DALÍS 1 0.01
    48 FAKE CV 1 0.01
    49 FAKE CRYSTALS 1 0.01
    50 FAKE CROCODILE 1 0.01
    51 FAKE FLAMES 1 0.01
    52 FAKE FIRE 1 0.01
    53 FAKE FIGURE 1 0.01
    54 FAKE FATS 1 0.01
    55 FAKE FAG 1 0.01
    56 FAKE FACES 1 0.01
    57 FAKE EYES 1 0.01
    58 FAKE EXPORT 1 0.01
    59 FAKE EUPHORIA 1 0.01
    60 FAKE EMOTIONS 1 0.01
    61 FAKE ELECTIONS 1 0.01
    62 FAKE DRUG 1 0.01
    63 FAKE DOCTORS 1 0.01
    64 FAKE DOCTOR 1 0.01
    65 FAKE DOC 1 0.01
    66 FAKE DIAMONDS 1 0.01
    67 FAKE COVER 1 0.01
    68 FAKE COURT 1 0.01
    69 FAKE CORE 1 0.01
    70 FAKE COP 1 0.01
    71 FAKE COLONEL 1 0.01
    72 FAKE COINS 1 0.01
    73 FAKE COFFEE 1 0.01
    74 FAKE CLOTHING 1 0.01
    75 FAKE CITY 1 0.01
    76 FAKE CHINCHILLA 1 0.01
    77 FAKE CHARM 1 0.01
    78 FAKE CHARGE 1 0.01
    79 FAKE CHARACTERISTICS 1 0.01
    80 FAKE BOER 1 0.01
    81 FAKE £1 1 0.01
    82 FAKE CHAIN-LINKS 1 0.01
    83 FAKE CERTIFICATES 1 0.01
    84 FAKE CERTIFICATE 1 0.01
    85 FAKE CASE 1 0.01
    86 FAKE CARGOES 1 0.01
    87 FAKE CAPPUCCINO 1 0.01
    88 FAKE CAPACITY 1 0.01
    89 FAKE CANNABIS 1 0.01
    90 FAKE CANDLES 1 0.01
    91 FAKE CANDLE 1 0.01
    92 FAKE BUTTONHOLES 1 0.01
    93 FAKE BUSINESSES 1 0.01
    94 FAKE BURGLAR 1 0.01
    95 FAKE BUDS 1 0.01
    96 FAKE BROTHER 1 0.01
    97 FAKE BRONZES 1 0.01
    98 FAKE BREAKFAST 1 0.01
    99 FAKE BRAKE 1 0.01
    100 FAKE BOX
    Examples from view.byu.edu

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    Re: false and fake

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    Thank you very much. This is hard to learn.
    Jiang

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdol
    In some cases, we can use both- false/fake money. A lot of it is to do with collocation. here are the examples from the BNC database:

    1 FALSE PRETENCES 86 0.86
    2 FALSE TEETH 73 0.73
    3 FALSE STARTS 63 0.63
    4 FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS 60 0.60
    5 FALSE START 57 0.57
    6 FALSE SENSE 55 0.55
    7 FALSE IMPRESSION 53 0.53
    8 FALSE ALARMS 52 0.52
    9 FALSE NAME 47 0.47
    10 FALSE ALARM 41 0.41
    11 FALSE ACCOUNTING 37 0.37
    12 FALSE ECONOMY 37 0.37
    13 FALSE IMPRISONMENT 37 0.37
    14 FALSE BELIEF 35 0.35
    15 FALSE STATEMENT 35 0.35
    16 FALSE INFORMATION 32 0.32
    17 FALSE TRADE 29 0.29
    18 FALSE STATEMENTS 24 0.24
    19 FALSE ASSUMPTIONS 22 0.22
    20 FALSE ASSUMPTION 22 0.22
    21 FALSE POSITIVES 22 0.22
    22 FALSE CLAIMS 21 0.21
    23 FALSE HOPES 21 0.21
    24 FALSE MODESTY 19 0.19
    25 FALSE MOVE 19 0.19
    26 FALSE DAWN 18 0.18
    27 FALSE PICTURE 18 0.18
    28 FALSE REPORT 18 0.18
    29 FALSE EYELASHES 17 0.17
    30 FALSE EVIDENCE 16 0.16
    31 FALSE PREMISE 16 0.16
    32 FALSE PROMISES 16 0.16
    33 FALSE NAMES 15 0.15
    34 FALSE BELIEFS 14 0.14
    35 FALSE REPRESENTATION 14 0.14
    36 FALSE MARKET 13 0.13
    37 FALSE GODS 12 0.12
    38 FALSE NEGATIVES 12 0.12
    39 FALSE SECURITY 12 0.12
    40 FALSE SMILE 12 0.12
    41 FALSE EXPECTATIONS 11 0.11
    42 FALSE HOPE 11 0.11
    43 FALSE IDEA 11 0.11
    44 FALSE NOTE 11 0.11
    45 FALSE REPRESENTATIONS 11 0.11
    46 FALSE DESCRIPTION 10 0.10
    47 FALSE DOCUMENTS 10 0.10
    48 FALSE EYES 10 0.10
    49 FALSE MOUSTACHE 10 0.10
    50 FALSE POSITION 10 0.10
    51 FALSE STEP 10 0.10
    52 FALSE CASES 9 0.09
    53 FALSE BEARD 9 0.09
    54 FALSE COLOUR 9 0.09
    55 FALSE LEG 9 0.09
    56 FALSE ONES 9 0.09
    57 FALSE PROPHETS 9 0.09
    58 FALSE REPORTS 9 0.09
    59 FALSE RUMOURS 9 0.09
    60 FALSE ACCUSATIONS 8 0.08
    61 FALSE CHARGES 8 0.08
    62 FALSE CROSS 8 0.08
    63 FALSE GOD 8 0.08
    64 FALSE IDENTITY 8 0.08
    65 FALSE KILLER 8 0.08
    66 FALSE OPTIMISM 8 0.08
    67 FALSE PASSPORT 8 0.08
    68 FALSE ADVERTISING 7 0.07
    69 FALSE IDEAS 7 0.07
    70 FALSE STORY 7 0.07
    71 FALSE TESTIMONY 7 0.07
    72 FALSE TRAILS 7 0.07
    73 FALSE ACCUSATION 6 0.06
    74 FALSE ALLEGATIONS 6 0.06
    75 FALSE CONCLUSION 6 0.06
    76 FALSE CONFESSIONS 6 0.06
    77 FALSE MESSIAH 6 0.06
    78 FALSE PROMISE 6 0.06
    79 FALSE SIGNALS 6 0.06
    80 FALSE BOTTOM 5 0.05
    81 FALSE CONFESSION 5 0.05
    82 FALSE ECHOES 5 0.05
    83 FALSE EYE 5 0.05
    84 FALSE HAIR 5 0.05
    85 FALSE IMAGE 5 0.05
    86 FALSE INDICATION 5 0.05
    87 FALSE NOTIONS 5 0.05
    88 FALSE PRETENCE 5 0.05
    89 FALSE PRIDE 5 0.05
    90 FALSE READINGS 5 0.05
    91 FALSE SELF 5 0.05
    92 FALSE SENSATION 5 0.05
    93 FALSE THEORY 5 0.05
    94 FALSE TRAIL 5 0.05
    95 FALSE ALLEGATION 4 0.04
    96 FALSE CEILING 4 0.04
    97 FALSE CLAIM 4 0.04
    98 FALSE COLOURS 4 0.04
    99 FALSE COMFORT 4 0.04
    100 FALSE DATA

    FAKE FUR 17 0.17
    2 FAKE TAN 15 0.15
    3 FAKE GOODS 6 0.06
    4 FAKE BOMBS 5 0.05
    5 FAKE FLOWERS 4 0.04
    6 FAKE DESIGNER 4 0.04
    7 FAKE PEARLS 4 0.04
    8 FAKE GAS 3 0.03
    9 FAKE £20 3 0.03
    10 FAKE BOMB 3 0.03
    11 FAKE GUN 3 0.03
    12 FAKE PERSONALITIES 3 0.03
    13 FAKE SNOW 3 0.03
    14 FAKE TANS 3 0.03
    15 FAKE ATTACK 2 0.02
    16 FAKE BEARD 2 0.02
    17 FAKE BODIES 2 0.02
    18 FAKE CHAMPAGNE 2 0.02
    19 FAKE COCKNEY 2 0.02
    20 FAKE COWL 2 0.02
    21 FAKE GONDOLA 2 0.02
    22 FAKE FURS 2 0.02
    23 FAKE GIACOMETTI 2 0.02
    24 FAKE GRAVITY 2 0.02
    25 FAKE HAND 2 0.02
    26 FAKE LEATHER 2 0.02
    27 FAKE LETTER 2 0.02
    28 FAKE LETTERS 2 0.02
    29 FAKE OAK 2 0.02
    30 FAKE OCELOT 2 0.02
    31 FAKE ONES 2 0.02
    32 FAKE ORGASM 2 0.02
    33 FAKE PERMITS 2 0.02
    34 FAKE ROBBERY 2 0.02
    35 FAKE ROLEX 2 0.02
    36 FAKE STAMPS 2 0.02
    37 FAKE GORILLAS 1 0.01
    38 FAKE FURNITURE 1 0.01
    39 FAKE GOLD 1 0.01
    40 FAKE GIRLISHNESS 1 0.01
    41 FAKE GIRL 1 0.01
    42 FAKE GIACOMETTIS 1 0.01
    43 FAKE DEMANDS 1 0.01
    44 FAKE DEFECTOR 1 0.01
    45 FAKE DEBATE 1 0.01
    46 FAKE DEALER 1 0.01
    47 FAKE DALÍS 1 0.01
    48 FAKE CV 1 0.01
    49 FAKE CRYSTALS 1 0.01
    50 FAKE CROCODILE 1 0.01
    51 FAKE FLAMES 1 0.01
    52 FAKE FIRE 1 0.01
    53 FAKE FIGURE 1 0.01
    54 FAKE FATS 1 0.01
    55 FAKE FAG 1 0.01
    56 FAKE FACES 1 0.01
    57 FAKE EYES 1 0.01
    58 FAKE EXPORT 1 0.01
    59 FAKE EUPHORIA 1 0.01
    60 FAKE EMOTIONS 1 0.01
    61 FAKE ELECTIONS 1 0.01
    62 FAKE DRUG 1 0.01
    63 FAKE DOCTORS 1 0.01
    64 FAKE DOCTOR 1 0.01
    65 FAKE DOC 1 0.01
    66 FAKE DIAMONDS 1 0.01
    67 FAKE COVER 1 0.01
    68 FAKE COURT 1 0.01
    69 FAKE CORE 1 0.01
    70 FAKE COP 1 0.01
    71 FAKE COLONEL 1 0.01
    72 FAKE COINS 1 0.01
    73 FAKE COFFEE 1 0.01
    74 FAKE CLOTHING 1 0.01
    75 FAKE CITY 1 0.01
    76 FAKE CHINCHILLA 1 0.01
    77 FAKE CHARM 1 0.01
    78 FAKE CHARGE 1 0.01
    79 FAKE CHARACTERISTICS 1 0.01
    80 FAKE BOER 1 0.01
    81 FAKE £1 1 0.01
    82 FAKE CHAIN-LINKS 1 0.01
    83 FAKE CERTIFICATES 1 0.01
    84 FAKE CERTIFICATE 1 0.01
    85 FAKE CASE 1 0.01
    86 FAKE CARGOES 1 0.01
    87 FAKE CAPPUCCINO 1 0.01
    88 FAKE CAPACITY 1 0.01
    89 FAKE CANNABIS 1 0.01
    90 FAKE CANDLES 1 0.01
    91 FAKE CANDLE 1 0.01
    92 FAKE BUTTONHOLES 1 0.01
    93 FAKE BUSINESSES 1 0.01
    94 FAKE BURGLAR 1 0.01
    95 FAKE BUDS 1 0.01
    96 FAKE BROTHER 1 0.01
    97 FAKE BRONZES 1 0.01
    98 FAKE BREAKFAST 1 0.01
    99 FAKE BRAKE 1 0.01
    100 FAKE BOX
    Examples from view.byu.edu

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    Re: false and fake

    To make things even more confusing I'll add some more synonyms that you can encounter in similar collocations:

    'counterfeit' esp. money (i.e. 'falsified');
    'forged' documents (hence 'a forger', a person producing false documents);
    'phoney' (also 'phony') often used to describe a person pretending to have a position or profession he/she doesn't actually have: 'a phoney artist'.


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    Re: false and fake


    Thank you very much for your help. I'll try to memorize the most frequently used ones.

    Best wishes,

    Jiang


    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasz Klimkiewicz
    To make things even more confusing I'll add some more synonyms that you can encounter in similar collocations:

    'counterfeit' esp. money (i.e. 'falsified');
    'forged' documents (hence 'a forger', a person producing false documents);
    'phoney' (also 'phony') often used to describe a person pretending to have a position or profession he/she doesn't actually have: 'a phoney artist'.


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    Re: false and fake

    A spammer can sometimes appear to respond to a real question. I'm not sure whether I should think of this as a false response or a fake response . Now I think about it, it's not a response at all, just barefaced opportunism reacting (but not responding) to a question.

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    Re: false and fake

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    A spammer can sometimes appear to respond to a real question. I'm not sure whether I should think of this as a false response or a fake response . Now I think about it, it's not a response at all, just barefaced opportunism reacting (but not responding) to a question.

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    Definitely not a response but a nasty little spammer making use of the word "fake". He had fuller posts elsewhere [now deleted]

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