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    Default Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    Many believe that this sentence is incorrect in both formal and informal usage. However. Michael Swan goes for being correct in informal usage. What do you think? ( I would say: My friends and I spent ..... . In both viewpoints.)

    Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    It's incorrect. I would not teach it to anyone.

    Yes, you will hear such things in real life. Maybe eventually enough people will use it to have it be considered "correct."

    But it is not correct now.

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    Does Swan actually say it's correct​ in informal usage?

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    I am not a teacher.

    This is what Swan says:

    These structures are often condemned as 'incorrect', but they have been common in educated speech for centuries. (There are examples of me in double subjects in Jane Austen's novels, written around 1800.) They are, however, restricted to a very informal style. They are not correct in formal speech or writing.

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    Hello.
    In Practical English Usage (Third Edition), on page 404, Michael Swan writes:

    We often use object forms in double subjects in informal speech.
    John and me are going skiing this weekend.
    Me and the kids spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    Us is sometimes used as a subject together with a noun.
    Us women understand these things better than you men.

    And I is often used informally in double objects.
    Between you and I, I think his marriage is in trouble.
    That's a matter for Peter and I.
    I often think of the old days and how you helped Bertie and I. (letter from Queen Elizabeth, wife of the future King George Ⅵ, to King Edward Ⅷ)

    These structures are often condemned as 'incorrect', but they have been common in educated speech for centuries. (There are examples of me in double subjects in Jane Austen's novels, written around 1800.) They are, however, restricted to a very informal style. They are not correct in formal speech or writing.

    (I (=tzfujimino) underlined the last two sentences for emphasis.)

    (Edit) Cross-posted with Roman.

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    A lot depends on how you want to define correct in informal usage- many native speakers do use it, but many wince when they hear it. The former think it's correct, the latter incorrect. There are differences of opinion, so it's the old prescriptive/descriptive divide. I'd certainly advise a learner not to use it, because not using it will not annoy anyone. I wouldn't teach it as an equally acceptable alternative, but I would let them know that it is used because they will come across it.

    In formal language, the naysayers hold sway.

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    As I suspected, Swan does not actually say it's correct in informal language.

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    I think it may be one of Swan's foibles- I saw him give a talk a few years ago and he used me and John and between you and I as examples. If my memory serves, he took things from Shakespeare and Jane Austen to show that they had literary form.

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    many wince when they hear it.
    I'm a wincer.
    As I am with "between you and I" or "send your response to Susan and myself" and I'm a big wincer at "very unique." But I still wouldn't correct anyone except my own children.
    Last edited by Tdol; 31-Mar-2014 at 17:03. Reason: Fixing quote code
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: Me and my friends spent Sunday at the swimming pool.

    One of the many things I like about Swan is that he does tell learners the truth - they will actually hear and see native speakers using constructions some of us condemn. I haven't yet actually caught him telling learners that it's fine for them to use such constructions.

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