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    Default "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    Is it incorrect to say "in frames of"? Is there any difference between "in frames of" and "in the frames of"?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    We will need to see the entire sentence.

    I can't think of when I would want to use this phrase.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    We will need to see the entire sentence.

    I can't think of when I would want to use this phrase.
    A sort of: "Politicians have to communicate with their colleagues in frames of/in the frames of international conferences". I am inclined to use "in frames of" in this case.

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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    I'm sorry, Alvib.
    You must think this means something that it does not. I don't know what you mean by this.

    Do you mean "at international conferences"?
    Do you mean "within the framework established by the organizers of conferences"?
    Do you mean something else?
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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I'm sorry, Alvib.
    You must think this means something that it does not. I don't know what you mean by this.

    Do you mean "at international conferences"?
    Do you mean "within the framework established by the organizers of conferences"?
    Do you mean something else?
    "At international conferences".

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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    Then say that.
    "in the frames of" is meaningless to me. Unless it's a British English (or some other varient of English) expression that I've never seen.
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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    It's meaningless to me, too.

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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    It's meaningless to me, too.
    Interestingly, I found the phrase "within the frames of" in COCA. And google found a plenty of pages with "in frames of"/"in the frames of", but these phrases are popular mostly among Russians, Armenians, etc. I could not even imagine that "in frames of" is a meaningless construction! We used it quite often when we were speaking about international organizations, conferences, treaties, projects, etc. Probably, because this is a phrase calque that translates Russian phrase "within a context/framework of"
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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvib View Post
    Interestingly, I found the phrase "within the frames of" in COCA. And google found a plenty of pages with "in frames of"/"in the frames of" [...]
    Yes, there's certainly no problem with the phrase of "in frames of", and it's not meaningless in the right context.
    "I have some Van Gogh prints in frames of gold"; "The skittles are set in frames of ten."
    But it's not used (as far as I know) in English for your context.

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    Default Re: "In frames of" or "in the frames of"

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes, there's certainly no problem with the phrase of "in frames of", and it's not meaningless in the right context.
    "I have some Van Gogh prints in frames of gold"; "The skittles are set in frames of ten."
    But it's not used (as far as I know) in English for your context.
    I see than it has only literal meaning (not figurative one).

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