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    Default Meaning of some lyrics in a poem

    Hi, could you please explain to me what these lyrics mean ?

    "Oh I loved too much and by such by suchIs happiness thrown away"

    Is "by such by such" some idiom or merely a repetition, and what does it mean?
    Full poem : http://artists.letssingit.com/the-hi...#axzz2yzBjTJki

    Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7yV7_fMdzY

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    Default Re: Meaning of some lyrics in a poem

    It's not a poem; it's a song. No, "by such by such" is not an idiom. It's probably repeated because two more words to fit with the rhythm of the song and the writer likes the sound of "of such". This is not uncommon in songs.
    The lyrics mean that happiness is thrown away by loving too much.

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    Default Re: Meaning of some lyrics in a poem

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    It's not a poem; it's a song. No, "by such by such" is not an idiom. It's probably repeated because two more words to fit with the rhythm of the song and the writer likes the sound of "of such". This is not uncommon in songs.
    The lyrics mean that happiness is thrown away by loving too much.
    I would say it is both : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Raglan_Road#As_a_poem
    So, it's not something you would normally use, but a poetic expression?

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    Default Re: Meaning of some lyrics in a poem

    This version, which is said to be the poem, has by such and such, which is different. In the song, I assume it's repetition for effect, but if this is the original, it's different.
    Poem:
    http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/on-raglan-road/

    Song:
    http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/inbru...raglanroad.htm

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    Default Re: Meaning of some lyrics in a poem

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    It's not a poem; it's a song. No, "by such by such" is not an idiom. It's probably repeated because two more words to fit with the rhythm of the song and the writer likes the sound of "of such". This is not uncommon in songs.
    The lyrics mean that happiness is thrown away by loving too much.
    Cf "It ain't me babe" and "blowin' in the wind". I don't think it is possible to make a categorical distinction between a poem and a song. They are the same to me. The only difference is that one requires a melody while the other does not.
    Last edited by probus; 21-Apr-2014 at 04:37.

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    Default Re: Meaning of some lyrics in a poem

    Quote Originally Posted by probus View Post
    Cf "It ain't me babe" and "blowin' in the wind". I don't think it is possible to make a categorical distinction between a poem and a song. They are the same to me. The only difference is that one requires a melody while the other does not.
    I'm not sure why you picked those two songs. But I'm surprised that an English teacher can teach poetry and see no difference between a poem and a song (in general) apart from a melody.

    But it ain't me, babe
    No, no, no, it ain't me, babe
    It ain't me you're lookin' for, babe.

    This is unlikely to be part of a poem. A poet is careful with every word. If he repeats a word or an image or phrase, it's because he thinks it enhances the meaning. In a song, since melody and performance are also important, the actual words don't have to carry the whole weight. If the writer need to write "as such as such" to fill out a line, or to insert words that are nonsense, this is not a problem in pop songs, but is in poetry.
    The lyrics of a song can be poetry. You can set a poem to music. But the enterprise of writing a poem and a song are completely different.
    Most song lyrics are trite, but with good music and nice sounding production, they can be successful. A trite poem doesn't become successful. Also, since poems have to rely purely on words and their interrelations, there is nothing like the prevalence of "aint's and wannas and gonnas" etc. which occur in pop songs - because a song is rarely meant to be a poem.
    Poems (good ones) generally pack much more meaning, new meaning into each stanza than a good song packs into a verse. The emphasis is on saying something in a new, inspiring way. Poems aren't made to be chanted; they are made to be spoken or read, and thought about.
    Anyhow, you might not get what I'm trying to say, and I'm not going to spend more time on it. A retired English teacher should be able to write a thesis on the difference between a song and a poem.


    Ain't no sunshine when she's gone
    It's not warm when she's away.
    Ain't no sunshine when she's gone
    And she's always gone too long
    Anytime she goes away.

    Wonder this time where she's gone
    Wonder if she's gone to stay
    Ain't no sunshine when she's gone
    And this house just ain't no home
    Anytime she goes away.

    And I know, I know, I know, I know,
    I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
    I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
    I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
    I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
    I know, I know,
    Hey, I oughtta leave young thing alone
    But ain't no sunshine when she's gone

    (A poem?)

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