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    #11

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    It is really a pity apart from some wonderful Oriental or Middle Eastern qualities like friendliness, hospitality, readiness to help, spontaneity and naturalness some of them:
    - often generalize, pass judgement quickly.
    - are emotional, sensitive, very pariotitic and sometimes more extreme than the far right parties in West Europe when it comes to nationalism.
    - love praise, hate criticism, exaggerate much and sef-criticism is unknown to them

    All languages have loan words borrowed from others and there is nothing to be ashamed about. On the contrary borrowing makes languages rich just take English how it developed from a relatively primitive language to a very complex one. Some people from the Middle East think their language ís the best, the purest and the most valuable (superlative forms are very popular). They cannot accept the fact that there are foreign words in their language too because they believe they lose face (a very tragic obsession) this way and this will take away some of their value and worthiness. They even believe, as we have seen, that all foreign words in English are of Arab origin without any reflection and that other nations have no contributions. I have even heard a Syrian say: Syria is the most beautiful country in the world and all human civilization originated there. Such naive, black and white statements are common in many Middle Eastern countries. There are no countries in the world whích might be more beautiful although beauty is a subjective matter. There are no people who are at least as intelligent.This is more or less a psychological problem and a reason why evolution in some of these countries has stopped. Arabic was a simple language before Islam but developed after Islam to be the most powerful in Orient. The Arab world became bigger and reached even Africa due to Muslim wars. Originally it was restricted to the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia today), a very small part of the world. The Arabic language is full of words of foreign origin borrowed from the neighbouring languages. Often there are Western ideas and concepts borrowed as evident in the language of journalism (loan translation). Nearly all names of currency are either of Greek origin like Dinar, Fils or borrowed from others. Names of countries and cities are often foreign just take Baghdad, Tripoly, Palestine...Important words like: qalam "pencil", daftar "notebook", funduq "hotel" were borrowed from Greek because there was no need for them before. In the Middle Ages Europe borrowed from the Middle East. But the Arabic numbers are not Arabic in origin they are originally from India just like the so called Arabian Nights (1001 night). Europeans call them Arabic because they were introduced in contact with Islam in Spain and some other south European countries. Friends it is time to wake up now.
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    #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Marie
    By the way, lets come back to the English roots=)
    I've read many times that English language contents about 30% of native roots (or words?), while others are adopted. How it has been calculated, I wonder? Do Linguists just took the dictionary and counted the words, or is it possible to use statistics?

    I am afraid you need to discuss such issues with linguists. Try to find a group and send your posting again.

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    I think that disgust when the society be based on the sex, socialism ,capitalism ,Marxism and then the ingratitude by thinking in the globe hamlet which the west thinks and they forgot to the basis of the culture is the plurality and the openness and the basis of judge on the day of resurrection is the belief .not me who
    Ingratitude the influents between countries but I am thank the one whom influenced
    In my language which is one of the old languages and the god chooses it to be the language of holy Quran by messenger as prophet Mohamed from this simple people but have eloquence tongues to start built this civilizations of the heart first then our culture on the Islamic East which respect the other not like west how still thinking they fix the world by war and war and war that just mean one thing they feeling by insufficient this is not stranger from society be based on The sciences and knowledge of other yes we late now but we are proud ..And friend you have to confess you empty in inside.

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    #14

    if...

    If
    ...
    If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with triumph and disaster
    And treat those two imposters just the same;
    If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
    And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
    ...
    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
    Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
    And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
    R. Kipling

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    this is so sad..

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    #16

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    Would participants in this thread please bear in mind that this is a forum for Learning English – not for learning how to abuse other cultures or members in English.

    Thank you.

    MrP

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    #17

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    well, wouldn't it be better if this warning was made when one person in this thread made religious and nationalist propaganda and called the others empty while they were trying to make some scientific explanations?


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    #18

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    Hi
    To say any percentage of English words "are native" is bizarre. English is mostly a mixture of German, French, some Scandinavian languages, etc, localised over time – just like the formation of any language. Before they spoke English, the inhabitants of the British Isles spoke – at various times – Gaelic, Latin, what is now called 'Welsh' and other languages. Therefore, your research question is fundamentally flawed

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    #19

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    I think this was not what Light meant.

    Languages are classified as belonging to a family of languages. Within that family there are brothers and sisters. English as well as Danish are classified as Germanic but related to French or even Slavic branch of Indo-European languages. Thus the Germanic core of English can be seen as native.

    In case of English you are right it is a salad bowl of many languagess mostly from the same family apart from a restricted number of borrowings from more remote languages like Persian, Arabic, Indian....because of its history and colonies. English has in turn contributed a lot to other languages particularly after the industrial revolution. For example the language of journalism in Arabic is to a great extent modelled after English not only as borrowings but also as loan translation known also as calques.There is nothing to feel ashamed about. On the contrary this process makes langauges rich. People need to realize that all languages are formed as you mentioned. But unfortunately there some people out there who believe their language is the purest, holiest and the rest of languages in the world have borrowed heavily from theirs. This is simply ignorance and fanatism.
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    #20

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    check out: www.englishenglish.com I think this Website may be usefull for you, it is very interesting if it comes to facts and figures of the English language. hm... I can say that recent estimation shows that more than 350 languages (including Scandinavian, French, and Latin) are assumed to have loaned words into English.
    regards, *marika*

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