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    It's disappointing that they've used the same type numbers 1, 2 and 3 for two completely different structures.
    It's strange that they've called the last six types "mixed" but not given a label to the first three.
    The actual content looks good on a brief inspection, but using this system, one couldn't refer to a type 2 conditional and be understood.

    Is it used anywhere? What's the source?

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    I agree with Ray about the numbers and lack of label for the first set. The standard conditions could be marked S1, S2, S3, and the mixed conditionals could be marked M1, M2, M3, etc.

    The content and examples look pretty good to me.

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    I've had a look at all these. They all seem legitimate, except perhaps for “mixed 3”.


    I think “mixed 3” is wrongly described by saying that the condition refers to the present. It seems to refer to a timeless state. The present would be:
    If I wasn't ill today, I would have gone to the party last night. - which is absurd.
    What this example is trying to say, I think, is “If I hadn't had to work so hard today, I would have gone to the party last night”. This has the same form as Conditional 3. The 'if' clause refers to the present in a way, but more importantly to the past looking forward to the present.

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    Default Re: Conditionals

    Here are a few more conditional variants.

    Conditional 1 - with present continuous
    If + Present continuous → will + infin.
    If I am letting the team down, I will quit.
    If it is raining tomorrow, we won't go.

    Conditional 1 - with present perfect
    If + Present Perfect → will + infin.
    If I have caught the measles, I will go into quarantine.

    Conditional 1? - with result in future perfect.
    If + Simple Present → will have + past part.
    If I live until Christmas, I will have had my 60th birthday.
    Last edited by Raymott; 24-Apr-2014 at 03:55. Reason: delete last example

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I've had a look at all these. They all seem legitimate, except perhaps for “mixed 3”.

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    I don't agree about mixed conditional three. In my view, "If I didn't have to work so much" likely describes a chronic state. Therefore, that as a reason for missing a party the night before is quite logical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    I don't agree about mixed conditional three. In my view, "If I didn't have to work so much" likely describes a chronic state. Therefore, that as a reason for missing a party the night before is quite logical.
    And what did I say? "I think “mixed 3” is wrongly described by saying that the condition refers to the present. It seems to refer to a timeless state. (ie. a chronic state)." So, in fact, you're agreeing with me.

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    Well, that was certainly not clear from the excerpt that I quoted. I apologize if I misunderstood what you wrote.

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