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    Exclamation ation - Ayshen or Ayshun

    Hiya,


    I've seen a french film today where there was an american man. He had an accent that seemed strange to me.


    When he pronounced 'ation' as in 'Station, creation, variation, temptation, irritation'

    he pronounced Ayshun....The 'u' letter as in gun/ gum / plum


    I normally hear it pronounced Ayshen the 'e' letter as in Fred/ bed/ dead


    Which is correct and what accent did he speak in?


    Many thanks


    P.S: Sorry if I made the question sound confusing!

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    Default Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun

    Hello G8

    In BrE, the vowel in the final syllable of "station", "creation", etc. would be pronounced as a schwa (i.e. quite like the vowel in French "le", "ce", "te", or like the vowel in English "the").

    A passing AmE member will correct me if I'm wrong; but I think this would probably be true of most AmE accents too. (I'm finding it difficult to imagine the "u" in "gun" or the "e" in "bed" as the final syllable.)

    So your actor must have had a very unusual accent. Who was the actor? Maybe that will help us track down the accent!

    See you,

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    Default Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun

    I may be a little late for this post, but I will give it a go.

    My copy of the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, indicates the pronunciation (with no additional pronunciation attributed to NamE)of station as:

    song / time / play / she / no

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    Default Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun

    Hi,
    Well, I think itís M.Jaggerís voice that started singing in my head when I saw the question:
    Well, Iím going
    To the [stayshun]
    With a [sootcase]
    In my handÖ
    Iíve often heard [-shun] for Ėtion, but only in songs.
    Cheers

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    Default Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun

    Hi everyone ! when ı saw the heading in the thread ı could'nt believe my eyes somebody is asking about the pronunciation of my name. You know what my name is ..."Ayshen" meaning "cheerful moon" in Turkish.The pronunciation is /aishen/.Bye.

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    Default Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun

    Welcome to Using English, Ayshen!

    It's an auspicious beginning.

    All the best,

    MrP

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    Default Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun

    Hi again !Please first let me say that I am really happy with you and your help for my english and then that I have something to ask .Is the word "forenoon" still used in everyday conversations or is it the word I came across in the great novel of Dickens's?

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    Default Re: ation - Ayshen or Ayshun

    You're welcome, Ayshen!

    "Forenoon" is archaic (old-fashioned) now. In standard BrE, for instance, you would only use it jocularly.

    So we are left with "morning"!

    All the best,

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