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    Hi,
    Do I need articles here?
    1. I miss … Ukrainian cuisine.
    2. … Arlington stadium was overcrowded that evening.
    3. The game will take place at … Lenin Stadium in Moscow.
    Tnx

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    Default Re: cuisine, stadiums – articles

    No, though I think you could use one in the third if you want to.

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    Tnx, tdol.

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    Default Re: cuisine, stadiums – articles

    No addition to Tdol's reply. I'd just add that - to my ear at least - "I miss Ukrainian cooking" would sound more natural. (I'm assuming you mean everyday Ukrainian food the way it is normally prepared at home, rather than Ukrainian specialities as available in fancy international restaurants.)
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    Tnx, Bob,
    Good, I didn't know that.
    Another question:
    a) Moscow underground stations are beautiful.
    b) The Moscow underground is beautiful.
    c) Moscow's underground is always overcrowded.
    d) The Moscow underground's stations are nice.
    Which of these are incorrect?
    TIA

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    Default Re: cuisine, stadiums – articles

    Quote Originally Posted by Humble View Post
    Tnx, Bob,
    Good, I didn't know that.
    Another question:
    a) Moscow underground stations are beautiful.
    b) The Moscow underground is beautiful.
    c) Moscow's underground is always overcrowded.
    d) The Moscow underground's stations are nice.
    Which of these are incorrect?
    TIA
    On the cooking/cuisine point: as a general rule, things with French names cost more! People in Britain used to sell 'scent', until some enterprising chemist realized he could get more for it by calling it 'perfume'. Going back to the Norman conquest, after which the rich talked French while the peasants talked English, sorts of meat became Frenchified when they moved from the farmyard to the high table: sheep -> mutton (mouton), cow -> beef (boeuf), pig -> pork (porc).

    Revenons a ces moutons:
    You're doing yourself down a bit by saying 'Which of these are incorrect?' - which implies that at least two are. Which I don't think is the case.

    a,b and d sound a bit foreign (possibly because referring to the beauty of an underground station feels somewhat unEnglish to me!). But I wouldn't say that any of them was incorrect, depending on context: d might occur in a context where you were contrasting the underground systems of different cities: "Stations on the Paris Metro are ... but the Moscow underground's stations are..." (the primary stress in the phrase "Moscow's underground" would, in that case, be on the first syllable).

    c sounds fine to me. Again, context would decide whether it would be more natural to say 'The Moscow underground is always overcrowded'.

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    Tnx, Bob.
    Oh yes, I know French is much revered in Britain and Ireland (hence an historic, I think). I hear, the best-loved foreign accent in Britain is French.
    Back to Russia.
    Then, if the Moscow underground is correct, why no article in Arlington stadium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humble View Post
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    Then, if the Moscow underground is correct, why no article in Arlington stadium?
    I believe (though I'm open to correction) Arlington Stadium is a specific name: I haven't been there, but I expect it has 'Arlington Stadium' painted on it in big letters, and it's marked on maps with that name.

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    Default Re: cuisine, stadiums – articles

    Oh no, I just invented a name for a little town.

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    - I thought it rang a bell. There is an Arlington Cemetery - I think in Washington DC, perhaps that's what I was thinking of.

    If it's a little town, you'd say 'the Arlington Stadium'. In fact, there's 'the Millennium Stadium' at Cardiff (a decent-sized city), so perhaps size doesn't matter. But before they built 'the new Wembley Stadium' (in Wembley, quite a small area in NW London), they called the previous stadium 'Wembley Stadium' (no 'the'). I think maybe it's just a question of usage.

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