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    OK, Thank you very much for your patience with me :)

    I think I don't have any other question.... Not yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenka View Post
    OK, Thank you very much for your patience with me :)

    I think I don't have any other question.... Not yet!
    No problem. I enjoy your questions.

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    Hi, Mike and Lenka,

    This classification is absolutely new to me. As if it were from another planet. How, for instance, can a gerund be a noun? They often have the same functions, but they differ greatly. The gerund has no plural, no article… Well, in short I am used to the traditional (conventional, classical) grammar, where numerals do exist.
    It seems to me there’s some confusion here of parts of speech with parts of a sentence. If both a numeral and a gerund can have the function of a subject or an object like nouns, it doesn’t turn them into nouns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humble View Post
    Hi, Mike and Lenka,

    This classification is absolutely new to me. As if it were from another planet. How, for instance, can a gerund be a noun? They often have the same functions, but they differ greatly. The gerund has no plural, no article… Well, in short I am used to the traditional (conventional, classical) grammar, where numerals do exist.
    It seems to me there’s some confusion here of parts of speech with parts of a sentence. If both a numeral and a gerund can have the function of a subject or an object like nouns, it doesn’t turn them into nouns.
    The parts of speech system is based on function more than on origin. If something is used as a noun, it is a noun. If something is used as an adjective, it is an adjective, etc. Many words can be more than one part of speech. This is the classification scheme used by most major dictionaries.

    A gerund is a verbal, not a verb. It is used as a noun so it would be classified as such. Other verbals can be adjectives, adverbs, or nouns. "Verbal" or "gerund" is a classification, but it is not a part of speech.

    Again, the system I follow does not have "numeral" as a part of speech. Numerals have varying functions in sentences, so I don't see how "numeral" could be a functional classification. But others may see it differently.

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    I've seen 'numeral' used as a subset of determiners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humble View Post

    The gerund has no plural, no article…
    You can say "one painting" - "two paintings". And it is a gerund, isn't it?

    However, it is impossible to say watchings or something :). Am I right?

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    Hi , Lenka,
    Sorry, those are not gerunds; they are verbal nouns- precisely their ability to take plural differs them from the gerund. You can't say Thank you for beings patient even if it happened several times.
    Rgs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenka View Post
    You can say "one painting" - "two paintings". And it is a gerund, isn't it?

    However, it is impossible to say watchings or something :). Am I right?
    I agree with Humble here. This use of "painting" is as a thing, an object. It is just a noun. (I wouldn't call it a verbal noun as that defines a gerund.)
    When "painting" is a gerund noun, it refers to an action, an activity.

    Painting is my favorite activity. (an activity, gerund, noun)
    Please look at my painting. (an object, noun)

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    Aha!!! You see, I can learn so many new things here!
    Thank you for your explanations.

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    What about word "if"? Is is an adverb?

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