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    Dear teachers,

    Please read the following sentence:

    We went along a dirt road that led down into a valley, about a mile out of town, where there was a pond.

    The textbook explained that 'where there was a pond is an adverbial clause of place'. I don't think so. I think it should be an attributive clause modifying 'valley'. Is that right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang

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    most native speakers would have no idea how to answer this question, you best consult a serious teacher or grammar guide. but most likely your book is correct. are you preparing for some grammar test, like IELTS?
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    Hi Jiang,
    It might be easier to understand the difference in sentences formed like this:

    We went along a dirt road that led down into the valley where there was a pond

    We went along a dirt road that led down into a valley, where there was a pond.

    The second sentence (as the sentence in your example) involves a place adverbial. The first sentece involves a wh-clause with the function of post-modifier of "valley"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiang View Post
    Dear teachers,

    Please read the following sentence:

    We went along a dirt road that led down into a valley, about a mile out of town, where there was a pond.

    The textbook explained that 'where there was a pond is an adverbial clause of place'. I don't think so. I think it should be an attributive clause modifying 'valley'. Is that right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang
    I agree with you. This sentence refers to a "valley where or in which there was a pond". The clause is adjectival because it describes "valley".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner View Post
    Hi Jiang,
    It might be easier to understand the difference in sentences formed like this:

    We went along a dirt road that led down into the valley where there was a pond

    We went along a dirt road that led down into a valley, where there was a pond.

    The second sentence (as the sentence in your example) involves a place adverbial. The first sentece involves a wh-clause with the function of post-modifier of "valley"
    I don't see the difference there. The article change doesn't really affect the function of the clause. IMO, it describes "valley" in both cases.

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    It's not only about the article, but also the use of comma. I believe that we can treat it the same way as in sentences like:

    I gave the book to a neighbor, who is tall

    vs.
    I gave the book to the neighbor who is tall

    The second one, implies that we gave the book to the tall neighbor (and not the short one, for example).

    Similarly, I think that
    We went along a dirt road that led down into the valley where there was a pond implies that from all the valleys, the road led down into the valley where there was a pond.

    At least that's how I would perceive the difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner View Post
    It's not only about the article, but also the use of comma. I believe that we can treat it the same way as in sentences like:

    I gave the book to a neighbor, who is tall
    vs.
    I gave the book to the neighbor who is tall

    The second one, implies that we gave the book to the tall neighbor (and not the short one, for example).
    I agree, but the "who" clause modifies "neighbor in both cases" With the comma, the information is viewed to be accessory; without the comma it is viewed as being essential/defining. In both cases, however, the neighber is tall.

    {quote]Similarly, I think that
    We went along a dirt road that led down into the valley where there was a pond implies that from all the valleys, the road led down into the valley where there was a pond.

    At least that's how I would perceive the difference[/quote]

    I agree, but as above, the clause with the pond describes the valley. IMO.

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    Hi matterwpage,

    Thank you very much for your advise. I am not preparing for some grammar test.

    Best wishes,

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by matthewpage View Post
    most native speakers would have no idea how to answer this question, you best consult a serious teacher or grammar guide. but most likely your book is correct. are you preparing for some grammar test, like IELTS?

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    Dear Mariner,
    Thank you very much for your help. But I see no difference between the sentences.

    Best wishes,

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner View Post
    It's not only about the article, but also the use of comma. I believe that we can treat it the same way as in sentences like:

    I gave the book to a neighbor, who is tall
    vs.
    I gave the book to the neighbor who is tall

    The second one, implies that we gave the book to the tall neighbor (and not the short one, for example).

    Similarly, I think that
    We went along a dirt road that led down into the valley where there was a pond implies that from all the valleys, the road led down into the valley where there was a pond.

    At least that's how I would perceive the difference

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    Dear Mike,

    Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I see.

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    I agree with you. This sentence refers to a "valley where or in which there was a pond". The clause is adjectival because it describes "valley".

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