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    Dear teachers,

    Please read the following sentence:

    That's one of those questions that really______.

    a. needn't to be answered b. don't need answering

    However, I found in my dictionary the following example:

    The TV needs mending again.=The TV needs to be mended again.

    So I think both are correct. Is that right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang

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    Hi, Jiang,
    A bit tricky - both sound OK. Yet I'd rather choose b). Oh no, silly me- the former one is a modal verb, so it can't be followed by the particle to. The bottom line: a) is wrong.

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    Re: need

    Quote Originally Posted by jiang View Post
    Dear teachers,

    Please read the following sentence:

    That's one of those questions that really______.

    a. needn't to be answered b. don't need answering

    However, I found in my dictionary the following example:

    The TV needs mending again.=The TV needs to be mended again.

    So I think both are correct. Is that right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang
    The first is incorrect. In the positive, we say "needs to be answered" or "needs answering". In the negative we say "needn't be answered" or "doesn't need to be answered" or "doesn't need answering".

    Whether you use a singular or plural verb depends on whether you see "one" or "questions" as the referent for "that". I would use a singular verb there. Therefore, for the second, I would use "doesn't need answering".
    Last edited by MikeNewYork; 16-Oct-2006 at 00:53.

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    Re: need


    Dear Humble,

    Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I see.

    Best wishes,

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by Humble View Post
    Hi, Jiang,
    A bit tricky - both sound OK. Yet I'd rather choose b). Oh no, silly me- the former one is a modal verb, so it can't be followed by the particle to. The bottom line: a) is wrong.

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    Dear Mike,

    Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I see the first point. But I get confused with your second point. In my grammar book, there are such sentences:
    He is one of those who always come first.
    It explains that as a rule the verb should agree with the anticipatory. If there are 'the (only) one' then singular verb should be used. Do you think it is right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    The first is incorrect. In the positive, we say "needs to be answered or needs answering. In the negative we say "needn't be answered" or "doesn't need to be anwered" or "doesn't need answering".

    Whether you use a singular or plural verb depends on whether you see "one" or "questions" as the referent for "that". I would use a singular verb there. Therefore, for the second, I would use "doesn't need answering".

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    Re: need

    Quote Originally Posted by jiang View Post
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    Dear Mike,

    Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I see the first point. But I get confused with your second point. In my grammar book, there are such sentences:
    He is one of those who always come first.
    It explains that as a rule the verb should agree with the anticipatory. If there are 'the (only) one' then singular verb should be used. Do you think it is right?

    Looking forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang
    In many cases, I agree that the subordinate clause should agree with the closest word. For me, "one of...." is an exception. This may just be a quirk of mine, but I can't make it work with a plural verb.

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    Dear Mike,

    I think only native speakers can know how to use it. And it must be very hard for us.

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    In many cases, I agree that the subordinate clause should agree with the closest word. For me, "one of...." is an exception. This may just be a quirk of mine, but I can't make it work with a plural verb.

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    And I'd rather say One of those who come...

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    Dear Humble,
    Thank you very much for your reply. Things have become complicated.

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by Humble View Post
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    And I'd rather say One of those who come...

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