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    Re: close - pronunciation

    Hi, ,
    I understand The shop is close =near. If itís supposed to mean it doesnít work, IMHO itís a mistake, a grammar calque from The shop is open. I think Iíve seen on some doors Ė Closed.
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    Re: close - pronunciation

    Quote Originally Posted by Humble View Post
    Hi, ,
    I understand The shop is close =near. If itís supposed to mean it doesnít work, IMHO itís a mistake, a grammar calque from The shop is open. I think Iíve seen on some doors Ė Closed.
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    Yes, the shop is close = the shop is near.

    The shop is closed = the shop is not open.

    The shop is open = the shop is doing business.

    The shop is opened = can only be used as passive voice with an agent.

    The shop is opened by the owner.

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    Re: close - pronunciation

    Quote Originally Posted by j4mes_bond25 View Post
    I'd rather say "The shop is close". Although, you may also say, "The shop had closed".
    Quote Originally Posted by Humble View Post
    Hi, ,
    I understand The shop is close =near. If itís supposed to mean it doesnít work, IMHO itís a mistake, a grammar calque from The shop is open. I think Iíve seen on some doors Ė Closed.
    Cheers
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork View Post
    Yes, the shop is close = the shop is near.

    The shop is closed = the shop is not open.

    The shop is open = the shop is doing business.

    The shop is opened = can only be used as passive voice with an agent.

    The shop is opened by the owner.
    Well, what is the truth, then? In my opinion, "closed" is right. But you shouldn't ask my opinion - I am not a native speaker and my English is still quite... simple and sometimes full of mistakes .

    James is a native speaker (I suppose), Mike is a native speaker too.... The native speakers must know what really is and is not correct! But you're both telling the same in a different way. Is it a problem of dialects or how is it caused?

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    Re: close - pronunciation

    Quote Originally Posted by j4mes_bond25 View Post
    Strictly speaking, Closeness is a "noun", however, Close "could be" considered as noun when it refers to some "street name" (however, as long as I'm aware, it's usually happens only in British English), such as "Cooper Close", "Barker Close", etc.
    Polysemy would be the right word to describe the phenomenon.
    So, to summarize, "close" can be either a verb (with a /z/: to close a box/to close a deal) or an adjective (with an /s/: a close friend) or a noun (with either an /s/ - Barker Close - or a /z/ to bring the discussion to a close). Easy, isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by j4mes_bond25 View Post
    I'd rather say "The shop is close". Although, you may also say, "The shop had closed".
    But they mean different things. It's not a question of taste. In the first sentence, you're saying that the shop is nearby. In the second sentence, the shop would be closed (the opposite of open) - however far away it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    But they mean different things. It's not a question of taste. In the first sentence, you're saying that the shop is nearby. In the second sentence, the shop would be closed (the opposite of open) - however far away it was.

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    I agree.

    Course, if you wish to use "close" as NOT OPEN, then you'd say "The shop is closed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenka View Post
    Well, what is the truth, then? In my opinion, "closed" is right. But you shouldn't ask my opinion - I am not a native speaker and my English is still quite... simple and sometimes full of mistakes .

    James is a native speaker (I suppose), Mike is a native speaker too.... The native speakers must know what really is and is not correct! But you're both telling the same in a different way. Is it a problem of dialects or how is it caused?
    If you meant "close" as NOT OPEN, you'd say, "The shop is closed", however, if you meant "close" as "NOT FAR IN DISTANCE, then you'd say "The shop is close".

    I assumed that you meant to ask "close" as "NOT FAR IN DISTANCE" & hence said "The shop is close", but otherwise, if you meant it in terms of close as NOT OPEN, then the right way would be "The shop is closed".

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    Thank you for the explanation!

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