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    Default that, a (her toes.)

    1.) Should you use which or that for these 3, please?

    (a) The thoughts WHICH or THAT ran through his mind
    (b) The knowledge WHICH or THAT he wishes to . . .
    (c) He finds a place WHICH or THAT he doesn't recognise

    2.) Do you say AN or A heavy object?

    3.) Should you say "No - it was not HER or SHE." ?

    4.) Would you say "The pointed TOE or TOES of both her shoes." ?

    5.) Does the full stop at the end of the sentence, go inside or outside the final bracket (when the words in brackets are at the end of the sentence.)?THANK YOU !

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    Default Re: that, a (her toes.)

    1. I really think you can use either in all cases.
    2. a heavy object
    3. I think it depends on context. Nromally I'd go for we, though us is widely misused n this case
    4. It depends n what you want to say and I don't get it, so I couldn't say
    5. I think it should go outside.

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    Default Re: that, a (her toes.)

    1 a) and b)

    that

    1 c)

    He found a place that he did not recognise

    2. A heavy object

    3.
    No, it was not her.

    The pointed toes of her shoes (omit both, as it is implicit in toes that you mean both)

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    Default Re: that, a (her toes.)

    1. Both are OK. Personally, I tend to use "which" in non-defining relative clauses, and "that" in defining ones.
    5. It goes outside.

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    Default Re: that, a (her toes.)

    No, it was not she who knew.

    Is that wrong?

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    Default Re: that, a (her toes.)

    I don't think it's wrong.

    I'd rather say "she's not/she was not the one who knew".
    Or "she didn't know".

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    Default Re: that, a (her toes.)

    Quote Originally Posted by scripto View Post
    1.) Should you use which or that for these 3, please?

    (a) The thoughts WHICH or THAT ran through his mind
    (b) The knowledge WHICH or THAT he wishes to . . .
    (c) He finds a place WHICH or THAT he doesn't recognise

    2.) Do you say AN or A heavy object?

    3.) Should you say "No - it was not HER or SHE." ?

    4.) Would you say "The pointed TOE or TOES of both her shoes." ?

    5.) Does the full stop at the end of the sentence, go inside or outside the final bracket (when the words in brackets are at the end of the sentence.)?THANK YOU !
    Interesting questions. I apologize in advance for the length of this response, but there are differences between AmE and BrE here.

    1. In AmE, there is a strong preference for "that" in restrictive relative clauses (all of these). We usualyy reserve "which" for non-restrictive relative clauses (non-essential information set off by commas). In BrE, both "which" and "that" are equally acceptable for restrictive relative clauses.

    BTW, C is correct in the present tense, as you have it. Curmudgeons correction is also correct, but in the past tense.

    2. A heavy object. The rule for a/an does not depend on the following letter, but on the following sound. In this case, the "h" is pronounced, so you need "a". If an H word has a silent H, such as hour, use "an".

    3. "She" is technically correct, but it is usually only used in formal English. In other uses, "her" is acceptable.

    4. Toes.

    5. Outside brackets or parentheses. When it comes to quotation marks, there is another AmE/BrE difference. In AmE the rule is that terminal periods (final stops) always go inside of the final quotation marks. In BrE, the period can go inside or outside, depending on circumstances. If the period belongs to the quotation, it goes inside the quotation marks; if the period belongs only to the sentence, it goes outside the quotation marks. Even though I am American, I tend to follow the British rule here. It simply makes more sense.

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