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    Quote Originally Posted by queenbu View Post
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    In fact, my/the definition which you corrected came from 'Cambridge Learner's Dictionary'.
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    That's a good one, but no dictionary is ever perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenbu View Post
    an error due to a misunderstanding based on dictionary definitions that over-simplify by saying things like 'basis = reason'.

    In fact, my/the definition which you corrected came from 'Cambridge Learner's Dictionary'.
    Is there a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    ...Change, especially swaying the opinions of the masses in White Towers, takes time - a long time. The best we can do (to survive) is accept that there are two sides, even three, four, and more if you count dialects and idiolects.
    Is 'White Towers' AmE for BE 'Ivory Towers' - a.k.a. 'the Groves of Academe'?

    And keep counting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    Is there a link?
    The only link I can give you is page58, second column, top right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenbu View Post
    The only link I can give you is page58, second column, top right.
    OK. Let me get a plane and fly to your house. Oh, hold on. Cambridge Learner's is online. <keys clicking>

    Got it.

    Here's what they have to offer:
    basis Show phonetics
    noun [C] plural bases
    1 the most important facts, ideas, etc. from which something is developed:

    This document will form the basis for our discussion.
    Their proposals have no proven scientific basis.

    Decisions were often made on the basis of (= using) incorrect information.
    Cambridge Dictionaries Online - Cambridge University Press

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    Ah, there's the rub. ?X was developed from 'failing illness'.

    Note, the symbol ? means semantically awkward.

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    Search Select another dictionary Select another dictionary... --------------------------- Advanced Learner'sAmerican EnglishIdiomsPhrasal VerbsFrench / EnglishSpanish / English We publish dictionaries for people learning English all over the world.

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    Definition
    basis Show phonetics
    noun [C] plural bases Show phonetics

    1 on a daily/monthly/regular, etc basis how often something happens or is done
    Meetings are held on a weekly basis.

    2 on a commercial/full-time/percentage, etc basis the way something happens or is organized
    We will consider claims for asylum on a case by case basis.

    3 REASON the reason for something
    Marks are awarded on the basis of progress and performance.
    There is no legal basis for his claim.

    4 DEVELOPMENT a situation, fact, or idea from which something can develop
    Dani's essay can serve as a basis for our discussion.

    (from Cambridge Learner's Dictionary)


    This is exactly what I have on page 58. Got it from the website you gave me.

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    Interesting. This is the link I have, but I don't see what you have here:
    Definition
    basis Show phonetics
    noun [C] plural bases Show phonetics

    1 on a daily/monthly/regular, etc basis how often something happens or is done
    Meetings are held on a weekly basis.

    2 on a commercial/full-time/percentage, etc basis the way something happens or is organized
    We will consider claims for asylum on a case by case basis.

    3 REASON the reason for something
    Marks are awarded on the basis of progress and performance.
    There is no legal basis for his claim.

    4 DEVELOPMENT a situation, fact, or idea from which something can develop
    Dani's essay can serve as a basis for our discussion.

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    I think you went on the Advanced learner's not on the learner's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenbu View Post
    I think you went on the Advanced learner's not on the learner's.
    Oh...now there's something worth looking into. Advanced learners are given one set of definitions, whereas Learners are given another set. A different set.

    Anyway, here's a take that might satisfy everyone. Hopefully. Watch this,

    3 REASON the reason for something
    [1] There is no legal basis for his claim.
    Test it: There is no legal reason for his claim.

    'basis for' and 'reason for' are synonymous there, but not here,

    [2] Marks are rewarded on the basis of progress.
    Test it: Marks are rewarded on the reasons of progress.

    On the basis of and basis for are different in structure, so their sematics will be different as well. On the basis of expresses a foundation for something; Something develops, as in extends from or out of that basis. It's not a reason for something; basis for is. Therefore, 'on the grounds of failing health' works because of the little 'ol preposition 'on'.

    What do you think?

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