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    The traditions of `Courtly Love' that underly traditional ideals of `gentlemanly' behaviour insist that women should be put on a pedestal and worshipped as pure and motherly and feminine. Modern women prefer to think of themselves as (potentially) having engine oil under their fingernails.

    The two metaphors don't go together : they're `like oil and water' (engine oil and a pedestal) - they don't mix.



    Please explain this two paragraphs. (particularly highlighted words)

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    "Courtly love" refers to a time when men were very genteel and formal in their relationships with women. To put a woman up on a pedestal means to idealize her, to treat her as if she is not average, but something special, a heroine or goddess. But modern women don't appreciate being thought of in that way. They want to be equal to men, capable of doing the same work and accomplishing the same goals. They are able to work hard (perhaps even repair a car) and get their fingernails dirty.

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    Thanks, Ouisch. I felt it was safest to let someone else answer this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Thanks, Ouisch. I felt it was safest to let someone else answer this.

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    Hee hee.....I am curious to hear the male point of view, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Thanks, Ouisch. I felt it was safest to let someone else answer this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouisch
    "Courtly love" refers to a time when men were very genteel and formal in their relationships with women. To put a woman up on a pedestal means to idealize her, to treat her as if she is not average, but something special, a heroine or goddess. But modern women don't appreciate being thought of in that way. They want to be equal to men, capable of doing the same work and accomplishing the same goals. They are able to work hard (perhaps even repair a car) and get their fingernails dirty.
    Those were the days! I'm content with knowing how to repair a car, but if someone is willing to do it for me, they're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user_gary View Post
    The traditions of `Courtly Love' that underly traditional ideals of `gentlemanly' behaviour insist that women should be put on a pedestal and worshipped as pure and motherly and feminine. Modern women prefer to think of themselves as (potentially) having engine oil under their fingernails.

    The two metaphors don't go together : they're `like oil and water' (engine oil and a pedestal) - they don't mix.



    Please explain this two paragraphs. (particularly highlighted words)
    I think guys should be gentlemen, and women should be feminine. But there should be a balance. I don't think guys should be pulling chairs out for women to sit on or opening doors for them all the time. But if you do it on a special day, well, why not?

    Girls should be feminine...but that's not an excuse for them to do nothing. I think staying at home and caring for kids IS WORK. But if they want fix a car, mow the lawn, rewire the furnance, they can.

    I have spoken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PappaMouse View Post
    I think guys should be gentlemen, and women should be feminine. But there should be a balance. I don't think guys should be pulling chairs out for women to sit on or opening doors for them all the time. But if you do it on a special day, well, why not?
    Well, perhaps things are different in your neck of the woods, but here in the good ol' US of A, by definitiion a gentleman holds a lady's chair and opens the door for her, whether it's a holdiay or special occasion or not. I've been married for almost 14 years and my husband still carries my bags, opens my car door, and pulls out my chair. I am anable-bodied female who can take care of herself, but I am also a lady who appreciates and expects certain courtesies from a gentleman.

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    In these matters, Ouisch, I find it somewhat difficult to reconcile 'expect' and 'appreciate'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouisch View Post
    Well, perhaps things are different in your neck of the woods, but here in the good ol' US of A, by definitiion a gentleman holds a lady's chair and opens the door for her, whether it's a holdiay or special occasion or not. I've been married for almost 14 years and my husband still carries my bags, opens my car door, and pulls out my chair. I am anable-bodied female who can take care of herself, but I am also a lady who appreciates and expects certain courtesies from a gentleman.
    Hear,hear!

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    usergary - Ouisch's answer has said what I meant (much more briefly than I could manage), and leaves only one thing to be explained - something that was only unclear because I spelt it wrong! . My 'underly' should have been 'underlie' [='form (or contribute to the formation of) the basis of].

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