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    Default Re: How to transcribe this word?

    Arrgh What about this:

    justifiability: Casi - are you sure of the first consonant? I'd make it /ʤ/
    first vowel: /ʌ/
    triphthong: /aɪə/ though the schwa is sometimes realized as /ɪ/


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    Default Re: How to transcribe this word?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Arrgh What about this:



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    Although /awc/ is recognized as one of the 5 triphthongs in NAE, in justifiability //®vs.tw.faw.c0bw.lw.ti+/, it’s not considered as such even in the Webster’s or the Gage Canadian dictionary and definitely not in the EPD or the LPD. It's in fact syllabified as a separate syllable in these dictionaries.

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    Default Re: How to transcribe this word?

    Bobk, yes, on your choice of first consonant (Thanks for the help - I need to get IPA that I can see ); yes, on wedge as the first vowel and, no, on the triphthong, at least to my Canadian ears. Again, we differ in dialect.

    To me, the word <justifiability> has seven syllables,

    1. ju
    2. sti
    3. f[ai] (diphthong)
    4. V (V = lax vowel i in sit or schwa)
    5. bil
    6. i
    7. ty

    Moreover, I can separate syllables 3 and 4 by [1] adding a glide, and [2] by using the expletive insertion rule (insertion occurs at a syllable boundary, usually just before the primary stressed syllable, but it doesn't have to).

    [1] Glide: ju-sti-f[ai]-yi-bil-ity
    [2] Expletive: ju-sti-[fai]-bloomin-i-bil-i-ty

    Lastly, this source separates syllables 3 and 4.

    All the best.

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    Default Re: How to transcribe this word?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
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    To me, the word <justifiability> has seven syllables,


    Lastly, this source separates syllables 3 and 4.

    All the best.
    To me too, now I think about it. Thanks, as ever, for the links.

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    Default Re: How to transcribe this word?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    To me too, now I think about it .
    Agh. Don't give up that easily! I would like to learn more about the triphthong you mentioned. I believe you might just have a good case there, but I need to know more about it before I can say whether or not I agree completely. (Ignore the dictionary link. That's just one (of many) that has copied from other dictionaries.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    Agh. Don't give up that easily! I would like to learn more about the triphthong you mentioned. I believe you might just have a good case there, but I need to know more about it before I can say whether or not I agree completely. (Ignore the dictionary link. That's just one (of many) that has copied from other dictionaries.)
    I know how frustrating it can be, but sometimes I just don't put up a fight - especially when I think I'm just plain mistaken. But I'll try to say something about the 'triphthong'.

    It exists in the non-rhotic version of 'fire'. In the case of "justifiability", however, the BE pronunciation is just the concatenation of "justify" and "ability", and 3 + 4 = 7 (syllables).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    ...the concatenation of "justify" and "ability", and 3 + 4 = 7 (syllables).
    You know, that was my last argument, the one I chose not to add in because it didn't provide for the triphthong.

    Fire, eh? Interesting. Could the triphthong be a matter of the <r> environment?

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    Default Re: How to transcribe this word?

    I think that's it.

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    Default Re: How to transcribe this word?

    Good practice ı see here
    ı want to learn how you can write the phonetic symbols of the wovels or consonants (diphtongs,triphtongs,etc...) as @dtommy could do by writing
    the symbol /'ɪrɪteɪtɪŋli:/ (iritatingly)
    Do we need to get a special kind of mechanism on our keyboard ??

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    Default Re: How to transcribe this word?

    oh so sorry :(
    ı get it by this link location
    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/pr...c-symbols.html

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