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    "The most famous portrayal of all is that painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg and which appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army."

    why is there the "that" and "which" in this sentence?

    can we just say "The most famous...is painted....and appeared on...."?

    what's the difference?

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    • "The most famous portrayal of all is that painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg and which appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army."

    The that indicates a specific portrayal. The whichdenotes additional specificity. You could rephrase it thusly:
    • The most famous portrayal of all was painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg, and it appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybell
    "The most famous portrayal of all is that painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg and which appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army."

    why is there the "that" and "which" in this sentence?

    can we just say "The most famous...is painted....and appeared on...."?

    what's the difference?
    I agree with Ron, that 'that" refers to a specific painting. The sentence is correct as written, but the "and" could be deleted.

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    that and which here are relative pronouns,but what are their antecedent?
    and why they appeared after "is" ?


    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
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    • "The most famous portrayal of all is that painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg and which appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army."

    The that indicates a specific portrayal. The whichdenotes additional specificity. You could rephrase it thusly:
    • The most famous portrayal of all was painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg, and it appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army.


    :)

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    The most famous portrayal of all is that one which is painted by James,which appeared on.......

    am i right?

    thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNewYork
    Quote Originally Posted by jaybell
    "The most famous portrayal of all is that painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg and which appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army."

    why is there the "that" and "which" in this sentence?

    can we just say "The most famous...is painted....and appeared on...."?

    what's the difference?
    I agree with Ron, that 'that" refers to a specific painting. The sentence is correct as written, but the "and" could be deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mengta
    that and which here are relative pronouns,but what are their antecedent?
    and why they appeared after "is" ?


    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee
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    • "The most famous portrayal of all is that painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg and which appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army."

    The that indicates a specific portrayal. The whichdenotes additional specificity. You could rephrase it thusly:
    • The most famous portrayal of all was painted by American artist James Montgomery Flagg, and it appeared on World War One recruiting posters urging Americans to join the army.


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    The antecedant of both that and which is portrayal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mengta
    The most famous portrayal of all is that one which is painted by James,which appeared on.......

    am i right?

    thanks.
    It would be better as "The most famous portrayal of all is the one painted by James, which appeared on......."

    :)

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