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    Dear teachers,

    I have two questions to ask:

    No.1
    ________ ghost exists in the world. That's your illusion.
    a. No such a thing as a b. No such thing as a
    The key is 'a'. Could you please explain the difference between 'a' and 'b'?

    No.2
    The secretary identified ______ reports treated new issues as well as old ones.
    a. those b. which c. both
    The key is 'b'. No problem because it is an objective clause and which is used as an adjective that modifies 'reports'. My question is 'why aren't 'a' and 'c' correct? Can I write the sentence the following way:

    The secretary identified that those/both reports treated new issues as well as old ones.




    Looking forward to hearing from you.
    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang

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    No. 1....b. is correct. The phrase is '...no such thing...'.
    a. has one "a" too many.

    No.2...'a' and 'c' are not correct because the grammar would be wrong. You would have to say "The secretary identified (those)(both) reports that treated........".
    Your new sentence had the right idea but you put "that" in the wrong place.

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    Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I see.
    Best wishes,
    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    No. 1....b. is correct. The phrase is '...no such thing...'.
    a. has one "a" too many.

    No.2...'a' and 'c' are not correct because the grammar would be wrong. You would have to say "The secretary identified (those)(both) reports that treated........".
    Your new sentence had the right idea but you put "that" in the wrong place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiang View Post
    Dear teachers,

    I have two questions to ask:

    No.1
    ________ ghost exists in the world. That's your illusion.
    a. No such a thing as a b. No such thing as a
    The key is 'a'. Could you please explain the difference between 'a' and 'b'?
    I've heard both, but I prefer b. When I hear a I assume - perhaps wrongly (corrections welcome) - that the speaker has started out to say the (correct) 'not such a thing' and been de-railed by the collocation 'no such thing').

    Quote Originally Posted by jiang View Post
    No.2
    The secretary identified ______ reports treated new issues as well as old ones.
    a. those b. which c. both
    The key is 'b'. No problem because it is an objective clause and which is used as an adjective that modifies 'reports'. My question is 'why aren't 'a' and 'c' correct? Can I write the sentence the following way:

    The secretary identified that those/both reports treated new issues as well as old ones.
    I'm not comfortable with the phrase 'identify that', although your sentence is perfextly understandable. You could make the relative clause as below, leaving 'identify' with reports as an object:

    The secretary identified those/both reports that treated new issues as well as old ones.
    or, with a different meaning:
    The secretary identified both reports, which treated new issues as well as old ones.

    b

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    Dear BobK,
    Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I see.

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    I've heard both, but I prefer b. When I hear a I assume - perhaps wrongly (corrections welcome) - that the speaker has started out to say the (correct) 'not such a thing' and been de-railed by the collocation 'no such thing').



    I'm not comfortable with the phrase 'identify that', although your sentence is perfextly understandable. You could make the relative clause as below, leaving 'identify' with reports as an object:

    The secretary identified those/both reports that treated new issues as well as old ones.
    or, with a different meaning:
    The secretary identified both reports, which treated new issues as well as old ones.

    b

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiang View Post
    Dear teachers,

    I have two questions to ask:

    No.1
    ________ ghost exists in the world. That's your illusion.
    a. No such a thing as a b. No such thing as a
    The key is 'a'. Could you please explain the difference between 'a' and 'b'?

    No.2
    The secretary identified ______ reports treated new issues as well as old ones.
    a. those b. which c. both
    The key is 'b'. No problem because it is an objective clause and which is used as an adjective that modifies 'reports'. My question is 'why aren't 'a' and 'c' correct? Can I write the sentence the following way:

    The secretary identified that those/both reports treated new issues as well as old ones.




    Looking forward to hearing from you.
    Thank you in advance.

    Jiang

    Just my two bits, Jiang I agree with all the replies but I think your rewritten sentence is o.k. in that the "that" clearly marks a noun clause and lends "identified" the meaning of "acknowledged". Without the "that" though it is odd.

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    Dear fiona bramble,
    Thank you very much for your explanation. Now I see.

    Jiang
    Quote Originally Posted by fiona bramble View Post
    Just my two bits, Jiang I agree with all the replies but I think your rewritten sentence is o.k. in that the "that" clearly marks a noun clause and lends "identified" the meaning of "acknowledged". Without the "that" though it is odd.

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    My pleasure

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