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    Default From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    Hi there,

    How do you phrase it when you want to enumerate a list, but putting the emphasis on the first and last "entry/item" ?
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    From Roosevelt to Bush, [insert words here] Reagan and Carter ...

    In French, we would say (literally): From A to Z, passing by E and F... (in red to show that it's most probably incorrect).

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    It's the way you have it; e.g., from A (all the way up) to Z.

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    Yes, this I know, but how to mention E and F ?
    What would you replace the [insert words here] part above ?

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    What about, specifically or especially E and F?

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    This would move the emphasis on E and F and change the meaning, wouldn't it ?
    Eg. From Roosevelt to Bush, [???] Reagan and Carter, all American presidents seated in the Oval Office.

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    Actually, I think "passing over" works. Or simply "ignoring."

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    Isn't it the opposite- including Reagan and Carter?

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    Maybe it's, excluding or with the exception of E and F? I'm confused.

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    No, 'including' is the idea. I guess my question wasn't so clear - sorry about that.

    So:

    From Roosevelt to Bush, including Reagan and Carter, all American presidents seated in the Oval Office.

    Does "including" work well here ? Isn't there any better choice, or alternatives ? Doesn't it sound a bit strange to make Reagan and Carter stand out like this - as though there were something special about them, or you didn't expect them to seat there ? Do you see what I mean ?

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    Default Re: From A to Z, [including?] E and F

    Ah, I see! Try, even E and F.

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