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    Default Re: was/have been taught

    Quote Originally Posted by kohyoongliat View Post
    I have been taught that it is wrong to use a past tense verb after "to".

    I was taught that it is wrong to use a past tense verb after "to".

    Are both sentences correct?

    I would appreciate it very much if someone could reply to the above questions, which I posted earlier, but have not received a firm reply.

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    They are both correct of course, but they have different meanings and would be used in different circumstances.

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    Hi Andrew

    Could you please elaborate on how they are different?

    Thanks in advance.

    Best regards
    Last edited by kohyoongliat; 14-May-2007 at 11:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kohyoongliat View Post
    Hi Andrew

    Could you please elaborate of how they are different?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Very simply, 'I was taught...' is passive, and would be used when the action is more important that the actor (taught matters, who did it doesn't matter), or when the actor is unknown, or when we want to conceal the actor for our own devious ends.

    'I have been taught...' is present perfect continuous, and is used when the action is either still happening or finished but still relevant in the present - "I don't need help, I have been shown how to do it". The act is finished but it matters now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    irpond

    I don't agree with your last post.
    You need to state why you disagree.

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    kohyooongliat

    As far as I am concerned, "I (was)(have been) taught that it is wrong to......". both have the same meaning. They both mean that someone taught you that something is wrong, and one can't know whether you still follow what you were taught.

    I (was)(have been) taught that it is wrong to........but I don't believe that anymore.
    I (was)(have been) taught that it is wrong to........so that is the rule I follow.

    Now, if you say 'I had been taught that it is wrong to......', that suggests that you forgot or now don't believe what you were taught.

    "I (was)(have been) taught...." are both passive; someone taught you. And I don't agree that "I have been taught..." is continuous, but 'I am being taught...' is continuous.

    So you have different views on the meaning and use of perfect tense.
    Last edited by 2006; 17-May-2007 at 01:13. Reason: I previously omitted the underlined "it".

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    2006, I don’t disagree with you. Without a context, we can’t know whether the speaker still follows the rules.

    However, a speaker chooses the past simple passive (was taught) or the present perfect passive (have been taught) for a reason.

    In general, the past simple passive highlights the activity in the past, and the present perfect passive also shows some present implication of the activity.

    A: “What did you do yesterday in class?”
    B: “I was taught this rule.”

    but

    A: “How much of the course have you covered so far?”
    B: “I have been taught this rule.”
    or
    B: “Well, yesterday, I was taught this rule, but I have not been taught the exceptions yet.”

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    So, the bottom line is: WE NEED MORE CONTEXT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    kohyooongliat

    As far as I am concerned, "I (was)(have been) taught that it is wrong to......". both have the same meaning. They both mean that someone taught you that something is wrong, and one can't know whether you still follow what you were taught.
    They are not the same. If they were we wouldn't need a perfect tense!

    The difference is in the time: 'was' is over, dead, and finished. "have been' is either continuing, currently relevant, or has present results.



    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    "I (was)(have been) taught...." are both passive; someone taught you. And I don't agree that "I have been taught..." is continuous, but 'I am being taught...' is continuous.
    Correct, my bad, 'have been taught' is present perfect passive - I am too used to writhing continuous! - but the description still applies.

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    Andrew

    I didn't say that perfect tense is never needed; I was talking about the two sentences in question, and we obviously disagree on those two sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    Andrew

    I didn't say that perfect tense is never needed
    The problem, 2006, your post didn't make that clear.

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